From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri May 30 03:52:02 1997 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:52:38 -0700 From: Sam Lepore To: Internet BMW Riders Subject: BMW: Average Speed formula Reply-To: Sam Lepore There is an excellent discussion about time for rest stops and average speed going on over at the Long Distance Riders mailing list (all brands, not just BMW). I have the permission of the author to post this here. I think it could be quite handy for planning trips even if you are not in a distance-endurance event. ______________________________________________________ Sam Lepore, San Francisco, 1988 R100RT and 1995 K75RTA > From: "Bob Ray" > Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:22:14 -0500 > Subject: LDRider: Re: Average speeds... > > The time and distance equations, sorta formalized > (for Don Moses, newly crowned keeper of the Archive > of Wisdom II): > > Let > > D = distance in miles > R = fuel consumption rate in mpg > C = fuel capacity in gallons > T = time in hours > S = speed in mph > c = refuel time in hours (i.e. 6 minutes is 0.1 hours) > > Then, the time to cover a given distance is > > T = D/S + (cD)/(RC) > > Similarly, the distance one can cover in a given time is > > D = (TSRC)/(RC + cS) > > An example. If refueling takes 10 minutes, how long does > it take to go 1000 miles at 75 mph with a 50 mpg burn rate > and a 5 gallon tank? > > T = 1000/75 + (0.1666 * (1000/(50*5))) > T = 14 hours. > > Put another way, how far can you get in 14 hours, given a > 50 mpg burn rate, a five gallon tank, 10 minute refuel times, > at 75 mph? > > D = (14 * 75 * 50 * 5)/(50 * 5 + 0.1666 * 75) > D = 1000 miles. > > Plug these formulas into a spreadsheet and create whatever tables > suit your riding style. Hope this helps somebody. > > Bob Ray > > ------------------------------ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 6 04:28:32 1997 From: "John Outlan" To: "Sam Lepore" , "Internet BMW Riders" , "Long Distance Rider" Subject: BMW: Re: Wanderlust 3 - Lusk, Wyoming Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:29:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "John Outlan" ---------- > From: Sam Lepore Large Snipola... > > Anyway, you gotta love a town that makes fun of itself. Three > t-shirts in the local dry goods store: "I have Lusk in my heart" > "Lusk, Wy. (I often ask myself)" and my favorite, a picture of a > road sign "End of the world, 12 miles. Lusk, 15 miles." > > Here I will rest early. The wide open spaces were gorgeous, but > being so open I was drawn to ride farther than I want to. I have > to be careful not to overdo it simply because it can be done. > There will be more road tomorrow. No rush, remember? Instead I > can still see in my mind that one perfect moment of the day when > I crested a rise and had a 270 degree panorama of mountains, > ridges, buttes, snow capped mountains in my mirrors, and a view > of the plains so vast that you could see the curvature of the > earth. This is one of the loveliest places. Come wander Wyoming. I can attest to that being a former resident of Casper, WY which is a couple of hours west of Lusk. I don't hear many trip reports from that part of the world, which is too bad. It's a damn shame I didn't own a bike while out there, but I plan on making up for that next year when I ride out to the National in Montana. Just make the trip during the summer months if you're going through any mountain passes because the weather can turn very cold and fierce fast. I've been caught in late spring 'ground blizzards' in the passes in a cage, and it was no fun at all. I highly recommend a trip routing through Muddy Gap near Medicine Bow, WY which is out of this world! (very windy tho..), and watch out for the Antelope! They're everywhere. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ John H. Outlan - Lake Mary, FL (Orlando) joutlanNoSpam@NoSpamiag.net 1995 BMW R1100GS "El Buey" (Black) Windows NT4.0! Prez, Village Idiot, FOG #3, RA, MOA, AMA... Associate Member - Central Florida Beeline Beemers ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ From paddle~footNoSpam@NoSpamcococo.net Fri Jun 6 16:33:00 1997 From: paddle~footNoSpam@NoSpamcococo.net (Paddy) Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles Subject: Re: The Cost of the WSB at Laguna Seca Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:15:29 GMT Organization: Surely you jest.... Message-ID: <338b6ba8.78793739NoSpam@NoSpamnews.cococo.net> References: <338A3F02.E4397AEANoSpam@NoSpamwwa.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-09.cococo.net Lines: 29 Path: news.slack.net!news.he.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.cococo.net!pm3-09.cococo.net Xref: news.slack.net rec.motorcycles:429653 carsonNoSpam@NoSpamwwa.com wrote: > > I am amazed at how much it costs to go to the WSB in Laguna Seca. I have > just moved here from Australia, and I used to attend the WSB at Phillip > Island each year. When I went to the Island, I was fortunate enough to > find cheap accommodation for the weekend. For the WSB at Laguna Seca, I > have so far paid out $350 for the airline tickets from Champaign IL to > Monterey. I have just been phoning hotels in the area and they are > asking for between $120 per night to $150 per night and then of course > there is the tax. Because of the infrequent flights to and from > Champaign, I would have to stay in Monterey Thursday night and Sunday > night. It is rapidly moving out of my price range. As much as I would > like to go to the WSB, I am finding it difficult to justify the cost. > Is it always this bad? > David "Disappointed" Carson I lived in Monterey for a year. I considered going back there for a visit, but was told by a travel agent that Monterey and Carmel are the two most expensive cities in the entire country to stay in. Consider staying in Salinas, Watsonville, Santa Cruz or somewhere a little further from the track. Anything on the Monterey Penninsula is going to be expensive. Paddlefoot To reply via e-mail, remove the ~ from the address http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/7579 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 9 22:47:22 1997 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:26:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Geoff Adams To: John Outlan Cc: BMW Mail List , Jack Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Camping in F'bgh Reply-To: Geoff Adams On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, John Outlan wrote: > > From: Jack > > I want to camp in F'bgh. Have not camped at BMW rally before. How is > space allocated, first come first served, is there usually enough space > for one more tent? Do I need reservations etc? How much does it cost? > Are there large anthills near my tent? Will they walk away with me whilst I > sleep or sit in my camp chair? Pay close attention to the fire ant beds. You won't be careless twice. Geoff Adams '85KRS MOA 22753 TBC Arlington, TX IBMWR BMWDFW NTCOF tbcNoSpam@NoSpamdfw.net LSBMWR "We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities!" -Pogo. ____________________________________________________________________________ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 10 13:56:42 1997 From: "Ian Schmeisser" To: "bluerider" , Subject: BMW: Re: Recipes for on the road Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:24:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Ian Schmeisser" I buy backpacker meals. They cost about $5 apiece, and pack really well in stuff sacks. All you do is add boiling water (even I can do that) and you get stuff like Turkey with Thyme, Lasagna, Chicken a la King. They also have good breakfast stuff, too. I can usually carry enough for two weeks worth of dinner and breakfast, I eat lunch on the road, then don't have worry about food details the entire tour. Ian Schmeisser ---------- > From: bluerider > To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com > Subject: BMW: Recipies for on the road > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 12:41 PM > > > What are your favorite meals to prepare on the road? > > There are times when all of the local eateries have closed for the night > (or for good) and we all have to resort to some creative methods of cooking. > > My staple recipe is cheap, healthy, can be improvised by whatever is available > and prepared anywhere- as long as you have a knife or can opener. You don't even > need fire! > > *Tuna Salad a la convenience mart* > > 1 can tunafish > any free condiments- my favorites mustard, mayo and relish (& sometimes those > onions) > > Simply mix and eat. > > What are your standbys? > > Cheers! > Carolla > R90s > blueNoSpam@NoSpamcity-net.com > > From fletchNoSpam@NoSpamswlink.net Tue Jun 10 17:19:55 1997 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:19:15 -0700 To: Thomas Hundt From: Michael Fletcher Subject: Re: BMW: The Itch to Fish - Rods? The answer is as close as your WalMart store. They have a $14.95 rod and reel set with a telescoping rod. My daughter has one that I sneak out once in awhile for when I go bike camping. While I prefer fly fishing I don't have a 4-piece flyrod yet so it's better to have a rod with you than wishing you did. The little setup works well and I have enjoyed some trout for breakfast because I had it along. Michael Chandler, AZ R 100 Mystic "Memsahib" From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 10 23:34:31 1997 From: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:07:28 -0400 (EDT) To: thundtNoSpam@NoSpamslack.net, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Recipies for on the road Reply-To: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com In a message dated 97-06-10 17:26:02 EDT, thundtNoSpam@NoSpamslack.net (Thomas Hundt) writes: << Manifold Destiny: The One! The Only! Guide to Cooking on Your Car Engine! by Chris Maynard and Bill Scheller. >> You may also check out Biker Billy Cooks With Fire Gately From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 11 00:02:36 1997 From: "Pat Roddy" To: , , Subject: Re: BMW: Fire Ants was Camping in F'bgh Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:29:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Pat Roddy" > Fireants? Fireants? What the hell are Fireants???? Its very bad to > expose > Campground Bob Cox Bob: Fireants are exactly what they sound like--if they bite you, and they WILL if you get near them or worse, step on their mounds. The bites themselves are very painful (feels like FIRE), leave behind a red welt that eventually changes into a whitehead after a few days, and in some folks (both kids and adults); if you get nailed by enough of them, they will put you in the nearest hospital. They are fast and ferocious. Step carefully! pr Amdro works OK, but so does gasoline ;-) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 11 13:11:55 1997 From: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:28:47 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: MC disposable oven Reply-To: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Ever had some extra time at camp and just want to fashion some thing or the other. How about an oven? Pies/ Bread? Biscuits or what ever. Well this is not fool prove but it works and can me made in between brews. Take a smallist card board box complete with top. Cut 3 slits in one side to make a door that will close. Line interior of box with HD aluminum foil. ( Heavy duty not Harley Davidson ) Double lawyer on bottom. Punch several pencel size hole on two opposing sides for air. Perhaps 2 more in top to vent. Fashion hot coal tray from foil. Place tray filled with hot coals in bottom of box and "to be baked goods". Close door and have another brew.Let your imagination do the walking When it is time to break camp save the foil and burn the box. Gately From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jun 15 19:37:16 1997 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:20:40 -0700 From: rwilesNoSpam@NoSpammail1.com (Roger Wiles) Subject: BMW: Neat Maps! To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: rwilesNoSpam@NoSpammail1.com (Roger Wiles) Best tankbag-top maps out there are a series by Rand McNally called "EasyFinder`" There are laminated, pre-folded state maps for most of the states (no W Va!). The promo says: * Easy To Handle * Easy To Fold * Durable - Won't Tear (or GET WET!) * Write On - Wipe Off (like with a high-lighter, etc) The map overlaps at the folds, so you get all the map. Quite a bit of detail, a bit hard to read for us old guys at night. Available at truckstops, etc, or from R-McN NoSpam@NoSpam 800 234 0679, www.randmcnally.com or www.travelocity.com Prezz Roger RWilesNoSpam@NoSpamMail1.com From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 16 11:56:19 1997 From: bkeaheyNoSpam@NoSpamuswest.com To: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, rwilesNoSpam@NoSpammail1.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:13:12 MDT Subject: Re: BMW: Neat Maps! Reply-To: bkeaheyNoSpam@NoSpamuswest.com Addressed to: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com rwilesNoSpam@NoSpammail1.com bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com ** Reply to note from GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:53:24 -0400 (EDT) > Sounds interesting. Will look into them. Now here is a suggestion regarding > map detail that usually works well for me. Ever notice some maps have while > other exclude the same roads. Even the same Mgr 's will do this. A few years ago I went on a tour of the USGS map making operation at the Federal Center here in Denver. FWID, some tidbits I learned: * all map making companies start with a base map is produced by the USGS. * as the topographical information on base maps is updated from time tare updated al Bruce G. Keahey, U S WEST Advanced Technologies, Boulder, CO "Never anger a dragon, for you are crunchy and go well with Brie." From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 16 18:23:04 1997 From: gregkNoSpam@NoSpamepix.net To: Jeffrey_HarthNoSpam@NoSpamgapinter.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:08:50 +0000 Subject: BMW: Passenger comfort Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: gregkNoSpam@NoSpamepix.net Jeff Harth wrote: ...For those of you who have experience with this sort of "relationship test", what are the things that you've found to make the trip more enjoyable for your passenger? Just thought I'd give my two cents worth... I have found that the top-case doesn't offer very much back support for the passenger. I solved this problem by using a piece of 1/4" plywood about 9" wide and 14" long. I placed this in a waterproof bag and used my motorcycle cover as padding. I put this in front of the top-case and used 2 bungee cords to secure it. Since this sticks up several inches above the top-case, it also allows an additional bag to be placed on top of the case -very handy for the extra items your SO insists on taking along. It also lets you take that bulky cover along with you without sacrificing valuable storage space. \/||/ (o o) +-------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Greg Karper gregkNoSpam@NoSpamepix.net http://www.epix.net/~gregk/ +---------oooO--Oooo-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 17 13:12:01 1997 From: "Pat Roddy" To: , Cc: Subject: BMW: Re: Re: Passenger comfort - reducing the bitch factor Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:24:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Pat Roddy" Jeff, Marilyn, et al: Linda and I have quite a few 2 up miles together, and I wholeheartedly agree, keeping the SO 'happy' will greatly increase your pleasure of the trip. Jeff, if the SO has not been riding much, she (or her derriere) will be 'out of shape', not used to long stints on pillion. Take frequent breaks, at least every hour or so when you first begin. If we are on freeways, I try to hit every rest stop we come to, for both bathroom breaks and fluid replenishment. Make her feel part of the ride-if you see something interesting, point it out to her. We did try helmet to helmet communicators, but after 2 trips we ditched them. She enjoys the 'silence' within her Shoei as much as I do mine :-) And after 26 years, we have a 'telepathic radar' that keeps us in touch. ;-) I just refitted my LT with a Mayer seat. Linda had no complaints of the stock seat, except that under moderate to heavy deceleration, she would slide forward, adding her weight to the handlebars too. The Mayer has totally eliminated that problem. The GS, which we will be riding at the Nat'l has a very well broken-in Corbin I just purchased from a fellow GSer off the GS list. We tested it out this past Sunday and it passed muster for her. So just take it easy-her riding stamina may not be the same as yours. Keep her involved in the ride. Take plenty of breaks, and enjoy your trip! :-) pr From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 17 13:12:50 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:35:04 -0600 (MDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Clif Lines Subject: BMW: Passenger comfort - reducing the bitch factor Reply-To: Clif Lines Subject: BMW: Passenger comfort - reducing the bitch factor Jeffrey Harth asks about passenger (SWMBO) comfort: >Well, I've gone and done it. Finaly convinced the SWMBO that it would be >realy cool to take 12 days and ride from Philadelphia, PA to Birmingham AL >and back. >For those of you who have experience with this sort of "relationship test", >what are the things that you've found to make the trip more enjoyable for >your passenger? 1. Don't camp! at least not very often 2. Don't ride 500 miles + a day - 350 is a good average 3. Stop a lot for breaks. 4. Stop early at a Hotel/Motel with a swimming pool and hot tub. 5. Find a good place to have dinner 6. Don't use an intercom 7. Have good rain gear Clif Lines http://stripe.colorado.edu/~lines/clif.html Boulder, Co. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 18 01:34:33 1997 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:36:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas E. Haynes" Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Passenger comfort - reducing the bitch factor Reply-To: "Thomas E. Haynes" > //For those of you who have experience with this sort of "relationship test", > //what are the things that you've found to make the trip more enjoyable for > //your passenger?<< > My wife was a great sport about all my riding. She went to a few rallies and significant wedding anniversary presents have even been motorcycle related. I realized that her idea of a good time was not 750 miles in the sidecar or 850 miles of slab at 80, but she went along for the company and because I humored many of her whims. when she was 8 months pregnant and given to SERIOUS whims, she saw an advert to get a free hat with a Goldwing test ride. She was concerned that I was riding my Concours like a maniac (if only she knew), and I knew she wanted me to consider another bike to replace the Kawasaki in the stable. The Goldwing was a little much, but we went by and they even let her go for a test ride with me. When we got back, she told me that that was what motorcycling was supposed to be. The Goldwing was the perfect motorcycling experience for a passenger. I traded the Concours, and I have been surprised. She actually has enjoyed the room, comfort, intercom, radio, etc. and rides more now and with more enthusiasm than she has in a long time. She has not so much as been on the K75 since we got the Wing. I'll have to admit it works better than I expected, and I ride the GW more than I thought I would. So far all my distance riding has been on the K75, but I have a tour planned for the Wing this summer too. I suppose the moral of this story is that having a supportive, flexible wife helps a lot. Actually listening to her every now and then helps, and even suggestions that seem stupid may have more merit than you suspect. YMMV Regards... Tom Haynes Murfreesboro, TN From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 19 07:47:29 1997 From: bkeaheyNoSpam@NoSpamuswest.com To: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, rwilesNoSpam@NoSpammail1.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:34:53 MDT Subject: Re: BMW: Neat Maps! Reply-To: bkeaheyNoSpam@NoSpamuswest.com Addressed to: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com rwilesNoSpam@NoSpammail1.com bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com ** Reply to note from GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:53:24 -0400 (EDT) > Sounds interesting. Will look into them. Now here is a suggestion regarding > map detail that usually works well for me. Ever notice some maps have while > other exclude the same roads. Even the same Mgr 's will do this. A few years ago I went on a tour of the USGS map making operation at the Federal Center here in Denver. FWID, some tidbits I learned: * all map making companies start with a base map is produced by the USGS. The map companies then add or remove information as they see fit. * the topographical information on base maps is updated by the USGS from time to time. Some details on earlier maps may be dropped out, perhaps due to disuse/abandonment/destruction of the feature, or "political consideration." This second aspect is pretty interesting, and I have first hand knowledge of how it works. I own a couple of mining claims in the mountains west of Denver. The earliest topo map (gen-u-wine USGS) I have of the area was aerially surveyed in about 1974 and clearly shows a network of turn-of-the century mining roads and mines in the area, including one that runs onto my claims. The same USGS map updated in about 1987, only shows a few of the main branches of those same roads, and the roads appear to end just beyond the branching. Between the two surveys, many of the roads that are in fact still there seem to have disappeared. Perhaps "political consideration" may have been the increase in off-road vehicular travel and pressures from environmentalists to remove information from maps that would facilitate access to areas that environmentalist would rather not have travelled by the offroaders. Bruce G. Keahey, U S WEST Advanced Technologies, Boulder, CO "Old enough to remember when sex was safe; and, racing cars was dangerous." From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 19 07:53:31 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gregory L Kinney" Subject: BMW: an addendum to "eat your way across america".... To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: "Gregory L Kinney" Thanks to Art Campbell for the addition of "Eat your way across America" to my rolling library. If I may be so bold as to suggest; "Roadside America". I won't leave my HOUSE without that badboy! There is nothing like the sun rising in front of "Christ on the Ozarks"................. Greg Kinney Mission Hill '80 R100/7 '59 R65 (many chunks of it anyway) '81 P200 Vespa '83 CX500 Honda 3 cats LOT'S of garlic bagles! From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 19 12:34:00 1997 From: "drbob27" To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:18:24 +0000 Subject: Re: BMW: Passenger comfort - reducing the bitch factor Cc: Jeffrey_HarthNoSpam@NoSpamgapinter.com Reply-To: "drbob27" > For those of you who have experience with this sort of "relationship test", > what are the things that you've found to make the trip more enjoyable for > your passenger? > I bought my BMW in large part to give my wife a more enjoyable ride. Equates to more riding together. Things I did that you can do (it's only money): Russell double bucket seat, Reynolds backrest. Really nice B&Bs (she loves those). Big tank bag (more storage). I pack extra warm clothing and rain gear for her, otherwise she can make a mistake. 300 mile days, tops. We start the day when she's ready and appropriately fed. We stop when and where she wants to. I avoid Interstates. Things I did that are a little more trouble: K75 (_no_ vibration) . RT fairing (less wind). I get great rides (she pretty much lets me pick where) and great company. If I want to run the show I can do it solo anytime I want, since I get more than twice the vacation time she does. I note that many have a SO who won't ride at all; Kathy goes on the KLR650 on rough roads. She does have no interest in riding herself. FWIW, my ex used to read books on the back. She rode a little herself and we used to trade seats occaisionally. For the first 5 minutes of a leg we were both terrified, then we relaxed. bob From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 20 03:24:09 1997 From: "Pat Roddy" To: "Bruce Reeves" , Subject: BMW: Re: Nature Stops - Tips Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:57:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Pat Roddy" Scott asks: So. Without > >getting toooooo gross for the thinner skinned out there, how do the long > >distance riders out there handle this "problem"? > snip Bruce answers: > > > I have found that I can get "in phase" with the bikes' fuel > >requirements after about the second tank of gas of the day; that is, my > >need to stop for bladder relief corresponds with the bikes need for more > >fuel after/during the second tank of gas. > > Howz about it? Any tips or tricks out there? > After being in Urology for the past 10 years, I cannot help myself here :-) 1) For the health of your bladder, when it 'calls' answer the call. Long term, repeated ignoring of the feelings to urinate will cost you big time as you age. I don't want to go into the unpleasant things that can happen, just don't ignore it for too long, that's all. 2) Tricks, huh? I have heard (not actually seen) that some hard core long distance guys use a condom catheter to relieve themselves as they roll down the road. A condom catheter (also known as a "Texas Catheter") is just what it sounds like. Obviously these are for the male species :-) It is a condom that you place on yourself (most now have an adhesive inner lining), and at the end of the concath there is a drainage tube that empties into a legbag that can hold up to a liter of urine. If you didn't want to mess with the bag (extra, warm weight you know), you could dispense with the bag and run the tube out to the ground, similar to a battery drain tube. Although this does seem implausible, after years of dealing with patients who have a urinary leakage problems (male, female and pediatric), it is very do-able. There are thousands of males who handle their post-prostatic operations with these devices, day in and day out. It's a fact, folks. I admit that only a true hard core would ever consider this, but you went and asked! :-) pr I am unsubbing today to get ready for the Nat'l. Kick this around all you want to :-)--I'll be back one week from this Sunday! Adios and safe journey to all! From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 20 14:51:17 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:32:17 -0800 To: "John Mulvihill" , "Rob Tayloe" From: roozbehNoSpam@NoSpamwco.com (Roozbeh Chubak) Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Back pain, joint aches, HELP! Cc: "BMW Internet Riders" Reply-To: roozbehNoSpam@NoSpamwco.com (Roozbeh Chubak) At 7:23 AM 6/20/97, John Mulvihill wrote: > >I've been taking Tylenol; will try the Ibuprofen. (I chatted with some >equestrians the other day and they recommended it too.) You are much better off with ibuprofen or any of the other non-steroidal anti-inflammatories than you are with Tylenol/acetominophene. The anti-inflammatory effect of the NSAIDs really makes a big difference. The only reason Tylenol is used so much is because it is somewhat easier on your stomach: NSAIDs (including aspirin) can cause GI bleeding; in some extreme cases damage to your stomach is free of symptoms -- at least at the beginning. My own OTC painkiller of choice is naproxen (OTC: Aleve). The only advantage it offers over ibuprofen is that it has a twice a day dosage instead of 3 or 4 times a day. Regards, Roozbeh _______________________________________________________________________ Roozbeh Chubak AMA #552002 BOOF #1 BMWOA #38643 Village Idiot Idiologue Berkeley, CA BMWRA #21280 '96 R1100GS DoD #6666 '90 R100RT ======================================================================= From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 20 14:51:44 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:11:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Daniel Bleriot To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Back pain, joint aches, HELP! X-Homepage: http://elite.calvacom.fr Reply-To: Daniel Bleriot I'll join the party voting for RS-type riding posture too. It may not be a panacea and suit everyone and his cousin but I think it makes sense. A moderate forward lean helps you take most of the vibration in the legs, which should be kept slightly tense against the pegs. This way the spine is preserved. The position is similar to what horseriders do in a canter, the back is flexible, the seat is light and does not transmit shocks to the vertebrae, the front part of the feet keep some pressure in the stirrups. I had my back broken in a horse riding accident, and still carry some metal along three of my lumbar vertebrae, it does not affect my bike riding, I'm never ever reminded of either my age (52) or my back condition, whether I'm on the bike or after a ride. I credit that to the way my horseman reflexes let me use the position (and some leg exercise) to ease on my back when riding. FWIW - some doctors I know raise their brows at that, but not those who ride horses or bikes. Daniel Bleriot danielbNoSpam@NoSpamelite.calvacom.fr danielNoSpam@NoSpamcalva.net "But I don't want to go among mad people," said Alice. "Oh you can't help that," replied the Cat. "We're all mad here." From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 23 14:40:14 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:15:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Vasudev.SudarsanaNoSpam@NoSpamchase.com From: Dana Priesing Subject: Re: BMW: Seeking Advice Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: Dana Priesing Vasu: Lots of long distance riding advice to be had on this list. A few easy and important suggestions: (1) Stop every 100 miles or so to refill your tank, empty your bladder if needed, and just get off the bike for a minute to let your blood circulate. Stretch. Some folks will tell you to go 200-240 miles before stopping. Ignore them. They're obsessed with their odometers. Stop every 100 miles or so, but don't linger when you stop. (2) Carry a water bottle in your tank bag, and drink from it frequently. (3) Carry mints or life savers candy for those boring stretches. It wakes you up again. (4) Wear the proper gear: leathers or a ballistic nylon getup like an Aerostitch suit. Minimize exposed skin. (5) Earplugs. Boogie on down the road. Dana Priesing Arlington VA 97 K11RS At 10:16 AM 6/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > > I'm looking for advice on long distance riding in the States, more > specifically, I'll be riding from New York > City to Detroit on the 4th of july weekend and plan to do the ride (600 > or so miles) in 1 day. Any advice would > be really appreciated.... From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 23 16:41:16 1997 From: "Jim Bessette" Original-From: "Jim Bessette" Original-From: "Jim Bessette" Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:23:17 -0600 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com, Dana Priesing Subject: long distance travel (was: Re: BMW: Seeking Advice) Reply-To: "Jim Bessette" On Jun 23, 11:15am, Dana Priesing wrote: I don't proclaim to be a "high miler", but here're a couple comments. > Some folks will tell you to go 200-240 miles before stopping. > Ignore them. They're obsessed with their odometers. Stop every 100 miles > or so, but don't linger when you stop. We're all different. How long you ride should depend on how YOU feel, not how many miles you've ridden. I'm not sure what Dana means about being obsessed with the odometer, but I certainly wouldn't think about stopping every 100 miles. I usually stop when I need gas. On my K - that's about 180 miles, on the GS sometimes I stop before needing gas, but not on a long trip. I'll sometimes go that 250 miles before stopping. > (2) Carry a water bottle in your tank bag, and drink from it frequently. I prefer to strap a Camelback (Tm) to the bike. I can drink and ride. I only put water in it. It doubles as faceshield cleaning fluid. When the bugs get intolerable, I squeeze the bite valve, filling my palm with water and wipe my shield. Works wonderfully. You may not want to do that if you have studded gloves. :-) > (4) Wear the proper gear: leathers or a ballistic nylon getup like > an Aerostitch suit. Minimize exposed skin. July 4 will probably be quite hot. Wet your inner clothes and get some air cirulation in there. Fill pockets with ice. Rinse helmet liner with ICE water from Micky D's - feels like a refrigerator when you get going again. Get a GOOD seat. I like a beaded seat cover (J.C. Whitney). Prevents some of that "pants sticking to my leg" pain. Make sure you've got a throttle friction device. I use highway pegs on my GS - haven't found anything good for the K. Leave early in the morning before the cages get going and the heat gets too bad - just watch out for critters. -- Jim Bessette | Experiencing | First BMW '89 K100RS/ABS bessetteNoSpam@NoSpamdrmail.dr.lucent.com | BMW evolution | Second BMW '93 R100GS/PD Westminster, CO. USA | in reverse | Third BMW '68 R50/2 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 24 04:40:00 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: "Terence R. Evans, M.D." Subject: BMW: Opinions...like AH's, e'rybudy's got one... Re: long distance travel (was: Re: BMW: Seeking Advice) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:18:47 +0000 Reply-To: "Terence R. Evans, M.D." At 09:06 PM 6/23/97 +0000, "Jim Bessette" I don't proclaim to be a "high miler", but here're a couple comments. Me neither ;-) >> Some folks will tell you to go 200-240 miles before stopping. >> Ignore them. They're obsessed with their odometers. Stop every 100 miles >> or so, but don't linger when you stop. > >We're all different. Say that again 3x 'cause it's an UNderstatement! > How long you ride should depend on how YOU feel, not >how many miles you've ridden. I'm not sure what Dana means about being >obsessed with the odometer, but I certainly wouldn't think about stopping >every 100 miles. I usually stop when I need gas. On my K - that's about >180 miles, on the GS sometimes I stop before needing gas, but not >on a long trip. I'll sometimes go that 250 miles before stopping. Me, every gas, too. 180-200miles. Up until about 600, then I eat for first time, then about every 125-150. >> (2) Carry a water bottle in your tank bag, and drink from it frequently. > >I prefer to strap a Camelback (Tm) to the bike. I can drink and ride. >I only put water in it. It doubles as faceshield cleaning fluid. When >the bugs get intolerable, I squeeze the bite valve, filling my palm with >water and wipe my shield. Works wonderfully. You may not want to do that >if you have studded gloves. :-) Naaah, juice boxes of Gatorade frozen by you prior to leaving. I'd say 1 per hour. Then, Gatorade at fillups. If you want to get judicious, have insulated container that comes with the long straw, at least 1 quart. Keep in tankbag's rear (to you) straps, Sip 'n Roll. Ask at every fillup, "can I fill this with ice, then water?" 9x outta 10 they won't charge you. Hydration is the name of the game, you should have an urge to pee after about 2 hours which you should be able to hold for another 1/2 hour to gas. Then you know you're hydrating well. >> (4) Wear the proper gear: leathers or a ballistic nylon getup like >> an Aerostitch suit. Minimize exposed skin. > >July 4 will probably be quite hot. Wet your inner clothes and get some >air cirulation in there. Fill pockets with ice. Rinse helmet liner >with ICE water from Micky D's - feels like a refrigerator when you >get going again. Just make sure it's the inner clothes like your tee shirt under your jacket. DO NOT be tempted to ride in a shirt only no matter how hot it gets. >Get a GOOD seat. I like a beaded seat cover (J.C. Whitney). Prevents >some of that "pants sticking to my leg" pain. Naaah, Tricks are for kids and beads are for cabby's. Sheepskin, gel pad and silk shorts ;-) >Make sure you've got a throttle friction device. Absolutely! The BEST are the under $10 screws ;-) >I use highway pegs on my GS - haven't found anything good for the K. > >Leave early in the morning before the cages get going and the heat >gets too bad - just watch out for critters. Nope! You're leaving from NYC, right? EVERYBODY's leaving 'early' that weekend - the NJTPKE will be jammed as will I-80. Leave at midnight, cooler, less traffic, you'll be out in the boonies by dawn. Pre-pack bike, nap 4-6 hours and leave at midnight! Besides, it'll be midday when you arrive at your desination therefore you don't 'lose' a day for travel. Just another a**hole with an opinion ;-) - Miami Happy Fourth! __________T_E_R_R_Y_____M_i_a_m_i____ if AT&T bounces you, forward to alt. add.: tevansmdNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 25 15:44:56 1997 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:42:57 -0700 From: swhiteheadNoSpam@NoSpambrobeck.com (Scott E. Whitehead) Subject: BMW: laguna To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: swhiteheadNoSpam@NoSpambrobeck.com (Scott E. Whitehead) _______some time in the not too recent past, you wrote: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:28:24 -0700 From: Jim Bradley Subject: BMW: Laguana Seca WSB _______chop I've got a couple of questions: 1) I've planned this trip using delorme AAA MapnGo software (v. cool) and quesstimated my stops for each night. All the state park campsites say "reservations required". Does that mean required or recommended ? for example one possible stop on the Oregon coast has 150+ campsites(tents not RV). Do I need to commit to a particular stop or can I take my chances ? 2) Looks like the schedule will have me going through San Francisco on Thursday afternoon. Probably not a good idea. Any route recommended to minimize grid lock ?? _____chop re- state campsites in coastal oregon, i traveled the route from vancouver to san francisco last summer, and found that most of the state campsites were packed tight. they are well worth the stop, many being right on the beach, but a res is not a bad idea. however, there is also an impromptu camp stop on the beach, by the road in the southern end of oregon. i can't remember the name but mayhapse some other pres's could recall. you'll see it, promise. as far as going through san francisco, the trip over the bridge alone, is worth it. the trip will probably take an hour to get through the city. as far as going around is concerned; without making an extreme detour, you'll end up going through east-bay traffic anyway, so i wouldn't bother. happy trails scott swhiteheadNoSpam@NoSpambrobeck.com From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 25 18:36:28 1997 To: cyNoSpam@NoSpamdione.coat.com Cc: BMWDCNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:57:41 -0400 Subject: Re: BMW: Daughters first long trip X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3,5-81 From: wwworth1NoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (WEBB W WORTH) Reply-To: wwworth1NoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (WEBB W WORTH) Cy Very good advice, My daughter took a 2500 mile trip with me when she was 13 We did as you prescribed had a great time. Still talks about it and she is 25 now. W.W.W. On Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:43:23 -0400 cyNoSpam@NoSpamdione.coat.com (Cy Young) writes: > >Sounds like my son - he couldn't wait to start riding - about the >same time he could just reach the peg. You should have a lot of fun. >(Funny thing, my daughter would not ride as a passenger, but got her > license as soon as legally possible!) > >Some hints/suggestions: > >1) She WILL nod off - be prepared for her helmet to bump you in the >back > that will usually wake her up briefly, but if she is really tired, > pull over and let her rest a bit, or else find something >interesting > to stop at. (I have heard that they will always wake up before >falling > off and to just ignore it, but I can't quite accept that.) > >2) See if she can rig speakers and a walkman and carry a supply of >tapes > to listen to. This can help keep her awake and keep her happy as >the > miles go by. Just be prepared for her singing or making noises back > there that you aren't expecting. > >3) Set up a couple of simple hand signals such as tapping on your back > to stop. Tapping your right/left arm to tell you to look right/left > (sharing the sights is a big part of the enjoyment) etc... > >4) If she wants to stop - stop - same as for any passenger, but you >want > the ride to be fun for her, so make some concessions - keep the >tight > twisties to a minimum - just enough for fun, not enough to make her > > sick :) Stop every hundred miles or so for a stretch/drink/potty >stop. > >5) Enjoy - all too soon she will be on her own bike and/or going off >to > college... >|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>| >| Percy(Cy) Young Burlington Coat Factory Warehouse | >| Cy.YoungNoSpam@NoSpamCOAT.COM | >| (802) 785-4457 P.O. Box 56 (home) | >| (603) 643-3945 FAX Thetford, Vt 05074 USA | >| - - - - - 0 \ | >| 86 BMW R80/RT (& 80 R65(wife/daughter's) P S Y C L E _/\_.> | >| MOA(#1151)/RA(15703)/BMWMOV(272)/AMA(340390) - - - O,>o/ O | >| http://www.coat.com/people/cy/ http://www.coat.com/ | >|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<| > > >> >> I promised her when her feet could reach the foot pegs she could go >> riding,she goes to garage every week climbs on and wishes.Well this >goes on >> for four years,she will be 11 in july-- anyway she can reach pegs >now. >--snip-- >> Thats two weeks ago. >> Now planning on attending prez meeting in Ohio--- Vintage >days on >> July 12-- any suggestions on her first really long ride,I'm guessing >about >> 800 miles round trip.Any opinions on routes from just southwest of >> chicago(New Lenox,IL)to races. >> Bob GainesK75RTA >> Trying to teach my kid something >> important--Motorcycles >> > > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 26 01:15:55 1997 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:19:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Campbell To: Cy Young Cc: BMWDCNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Daughters first long trip Reply-To: Art Campbell I highly reccomend the CRV harness belt . . . 5 point harness around the kid mounted to a belt around you. Although several people have reservations about strapping the kid to a large object in a laydown, I'm in favor of making sure they can't fall off just riding, and the belt does it. Cheers, Art Art Campbell artcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com ArtCampbellNoSpam@NoSpamcompuserve.com > > Sounds like my son - he couldn't wait to start riding - about the > same time he could just reach the peg. You should have a lot of fun. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 26 07:52:15 1997 From: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 07:36:57 -0400 (EDT) To: wwworth1NoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com, cyNoSpam@NoSpamdione.coat.com Cc: BMWDCNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Daughters first long trip Reply-To: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com In a message dated 97-06-26 05:24:45 EDT, wwworth1NoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (WEBB W WORTH) writes: << Very good advice, My daughter took a 2500 mile trip with me when she was 13 We did as you prescribed had a great time. Still talks about it and she is 25 now. >> Along the same line, when traveling with your kid have them keep up a daily journal. You will be amazed how they see a totally different trip. Not only do you get to know your kid better, this will help you taylor your trip for you and them and years later it is great fun to re read Gately barrtlett From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 26 23:29:33 1997 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:11:32 -0500 From: Mike Schwandt Organization: IU Opera Theater To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Daughter's first long trip X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: Mike Schwandt Dan Glennie wrote: > Where can I get a CRV belt? I'm willing to deal with the risk/benefit of > using one, my daughter is very anxious to ride pillion, and she can > reach the pegs now. Is that a common milestone, or what? Helmet for her > birthday next month! :) > > Dan > glennieNoSpam@NoSpamtiac.net Dan, I just saw an add for one in this months Motor Cyclist back in the Marketplace Section Sold by: High Plains Marketing, 1-888-756-7658, $129 It's also got a review of the new K12, but then again what motorcycle publication doesn't this month. Mike Waiting to sell my VFR to get a K75S. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 27 19:22:39 1997 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:02:42 -0400 To: Vasudev.SudarsanaNoSpam@NoSpamchase.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: "Ralph E. Smalley" Subject: BMW: Re: local riding/mileage riding tips Reply-To: "Ralph E. Smalley" Vasu; Just be careful on I-80, if you go that way. I rode in from Coralville, Iowa (Iowa Rally) two weeks ago, and didn't get to Pensylvania until about 11:00 at night. The highway looked like a battle zone. I think there was a blood spot about every 2 miles all of the way across the state. I crossed into New Jersey at dawn and saw deer then. Live ones. As a person who grew up hunting, I learned that deer will be moving around just before dawn to get from their feeding areas to their bedding areas. Be Careful, but have a good trip Party Hard and Often... Ed Smalley At 05:36 PM 6/27/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > Thanks. Yes, we could get together to ride sometime once I get back from > Detroit. > I did check with mapquest and the distance is about 630 miles from NYC to > > > AnnArbor. I would probably start riding in the middle of the night to > lessen the > hours I spend riding in the sun. > > See ya sometime, > Vasu > > > > > > (Embedded > image moved F:prtyrdr NoSpam@NoSpam mail2.nai.net_at_INTERNET at > to file: CHASE-MAIL > PIC001.PCX) 06/25/97 07:49 PM > > > > > > > To: VASUDEV SUDARSANA > cc: > Subject: local riding > > >Vasu; > >Greetings! I am from Wallingford, Ct. and would get together to ride with >you sometime, if you wish. > >I belong to a great club, called Connecticut River Valley BMW Riders. We >have all makes of bikes in the club, and members from NYC, also. > >There is a Sunday morning rally every week in Danbury, Ct. It is at the >Marcus Dairy. It is visible from Interstate 84, between the Danbury Fair >shopping mall and the Danbury airport, at the intersection of I-84 and Ct. >Route 7. I have heard that this weekend they will be hosting a vintage >motorcycle show, although I am not certain of this. I currently plan to be >there. There will be at least 1,000 motorcyclists there, weather >permitting, and it is that popular every weekend. It is quite a dazzling >meet, for a Sunday gathering. > >About your trip on July 4. I would check the mileage, as I think it is >about 1100 miles to Detroit. Find "Mapquest" on your web browser and plot >the directions from that web site, to be sure. > >Have a happy and safe trip! (Rubber side down) > >Party Hard and Often... > >Partyrider Ralph "Ed" Smalley >prtyrdrNoSpam@NoSpammail2.nai.net > >Attachment Converted: C:\NAI32\download\PIC001.PCX > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 30 01:42:12 1997 From: "Pat Roddy" To: "BMW List" Cc: "Georgia Club List" , "GS List" Subject: BMW: A word on Kermit's chairs Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:46:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Pat Roddy" For those of you who ride and camp, there are camp chairs and then there are Kermit's chairs. I've tried all the K-mart-type camp chairs, and all I can say is you get what you pay for :-) I bought my Kermit's chair 3 years ago at the Rocket City Rally. Although it was 'pricey' compared to the above mentioned chairs, after sitting in it for 15-20 minutes, I knew it was the chair for me. Last year, at the National in Morganton, I had noticed that my chair would sometimes come apart at the top support strut. I carried it down to Kermit himself and although he did not have "the fix" with him, he did what he could for it. He gave me directions to his home in TN, and said I could drop by anytime and have it repaired correctly. Time slipped by, but when I was sure I was heading for Texas, I called Kermit and asked him if he could bring the 'fix' with him to Fred. "Sure, no problem. I'll fix it there for you". It seems that the year he built my chair, there was a small "design flaw" in the canvas for the back of the chair, being a little too short to fully contain the locking mechanism for the support crossbar. Although the seat canvas was in perfect condition, Kermit replaced that portion also, and then gave me a new carry bag to boot. Now I have a newly rebuilt chair (although all I really needed was a larger canvas back) with a brand new bag. You will never get this type of service for a store bought chair, I am sure. Although his chairs will run you $79 for the short chair and $89 for the taller chair, I can assure you of one thing. If anything, anything goes awry with it, he will fix it for you, no questions asked. And with a smile too. :-) It should be the last camping chair you will buy for a very long time. pr I personally recommend the shorter chair. It is still easy to get out of, but for me, I find the back support to be better, especially after a long ride. pr in Buford, GA USA 93K11LT & 95R100GS SoD16, Boof & K-Whiner From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 30 17:26:48 1997 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:33:11 -0800 To: Mick Collins From: haysNoSpam@NoSpamznet.com (Butch Hays) Subject: Re: BMW: Top case/bag Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: haysNoSpam@NoSpamznet.com (Butch Hays) At 12:32 PM 6/30/97, Mick Collins wrote: >Someone posted a while back a high zoot top case (aftermarket), they were >really happy with for their R1100RT. > >I can't recover that note. Does anyone remember who/what, etc.? > >Also need info on the best place to find the Vermont rounder bags(s). > >Thanks > >mick in san diego Well I don't remember the post but I just picked up an RKA tankbag from the rally that I like. I can take a picture this afternoon and put it on the net fr you if you like. They have two mebbe three sizes and a half_dozen colors. I got the medium that zips out to a tall well constructed, well fastened bag. It has a velcro'd map enclosure that rides on top. That's the only downside. It tends to pull up as the speed and wind increases ... Almost made it off the bag Sunday on the ride through Borrego. I gotta figger some way to make it *stick* better. Oh price was $107 for the bag and $20 for the raincover. BTW, there were two K1200RS's getting outfitted when I pulled up to get mine installed. Hey I see that they have a web_page: http://www.RKA-Luggage.com (I haven't visited) Office: 707-579-5045 Fax: 5046 Oh, if you decide to order, tell Rick that you know the Idiot that kept riding by on his black R1100RS and yelling I L I K E I T!!! I L I K E I T!!! I L I K E I T!!! Best, Butch From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 30 23:23:04 1997 From: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:02:53 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Utter magic Rx Reply-To: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com My guess is this one will get me some sort of ... award.. being gentil on my self . But with that said let me tel ya about a first aid product that some may know about and others,... well. The direction read some thing along this line. " Massage thoroughly and allow the ointment to remain for full antiseptic and softening effect on the ....... Any one know where I am going with this? Lived on a farm? Cows? Ok enough. I have used a first aid cream for years and always and I mean always have a supply with me . Wind burn. Sun burn. Fire burns. cuts . Infections. You name it and this stuff works. Better then over the counter stuff and far less $$$$$. the product is called Bag Balm and it is uesed for,...... treatment of ..... cow utters. Oh God the rath. But for $6 at any feed store you get 10 oz of an antiseptic that is close to magical. plus you can dream up all sorts of other applications. So the product is called Bag Balm. And it really does do so amazing things. try it Is this the first post of the utter kind/ Do I get to be prezz of my own Rx clan. can I award such honors as others have done in the past? I want my own group! " The Rolling Utters " Does it get much better? The Royal Order of the Utter. Utterly Rolling Along. Utterly Yours. The Utterly Brothers. America is very very good to me! Gately Bartlett Acworth, Ga aaaaaooooooooOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOoooooooooaaaaaaaaaa From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 10 01:41:57 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Court Fisher Subject: BMW: Re: Aspen BMW rental Cc: Steve Reynen Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:23:57 +0000 Reply-To: Court Fisher Steve, I believe the closest BMW rental is in Denver: Moturis Ltd, tel tollfree 888-295-6837, 303-295-6837; http://www.moturis.com This may be (or not yet) included in a recent 'complete' No Amer rental update I sent to Adam Wolkoff's BMW rental site: http://www.visi.com/~awolkoff/rentals.html Let us know if and how Moturis/Denver works for you. Moturis doesn't do Lear Jets, but they'll [also] do RVs you can stick the bike in (^_^). Court Fisher Princeton NJ all the usual suspect acronyms court.fisherNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net >Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:06:05 -0500 >From: sreynenNoSpam@NoSpamnetnet.net (Steve Reynen) >Subject: BMW: BMW rental in Aspen > >Does anyone know if there is a place in Aspen, CO that rents motorcycles? >I'll be there for three days in August with lots of free time and will go >nuts looking at those mountains without two wheels-if I could only figure >out how to get the GS in the Lear! > >Steve Reynen >De Pere, WI ---------------------------- From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 10 17:02:57 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:54:25 -0400 From: Flash - DoD #412 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Europe/Initial Inquiry/Any Help? Cc: mark.novitzNoSpam@NoSpamny.ubs.com Reply-To: Flash - DoD #412 Mark said: > I'm just starting to noodle around with the idea of taking the R80RT > to Europe for 6-8 weeks. I need some help, obviously. Can any folks > help point me in the right direction for info on: > Shipping...getting the bike there. Who, how? Names... I did it in '83. All my info is out of date. I STRONGLY suggest that you arrange to fly on the same plane you ship your bike however. And do NOT send your bike on a boat if you plan to acutally ride it during your few weeks in Europe. > Papers...what do I need to get rolling once there, and what do I need > to move easily from country to country? Crossing borders in Europe is no more complicated than crossing states borders in the USA, generally. They do tend to have what looks like an unmanned toll booth at some of them (on the freeway). In my experience (in 1983) clearing customs when you fly in is simple because they are not there. You are a tourist, not an importer. You plan to take your bike back out with you, right? Be sure you have valid registration from your state that won't expire while you're in Europe. Be sure you have a valid driver's license. For a few dollars and some passport photos you can get an "International Driver's License" from any AAA shop. All it says is that your state license is valid (in about 20 different languages) and has your picture on it. > Insurance...typically, does my current policy cover travel in Europe, > and if it doesn't (as I expect), how is this best handled? The AAA can help you buy insurance for your bike. You might have to produce that green card for some nice policeman. The cost is not much. Your USA vehicle insurance will NOT cover you in Europe. And, while you're at it, get some Trip Travel insurance. The green card will be for liability only. Trip Travel insurance can be for your "luggage" as well as for medical and medivac. You could argue that your "luggage" includes your motorcycle in the event of theft. (Dunno if you could *successfully* argue that cuz it depends on your skills and track record with insurance claims... don't get me started on THAT subject.) If you want to read some of my exploits in Europe on my R80G/S, check out my web page for the Tales: "Isle of Memories - Heaven on Earth in the Irish Sea" "(A Real Long) Zielfahrt - The BMW 60 Year Rally" "People In Gray - Behind the Iron Curtain" Or, better yet, buy my book. It contains a photo of my bike lashed down to a cargo pallet in the hold of a DC10 in the Tale, "Getting There - DC10 + R80G/S = Adventure." =========================================================================== "A radar detector is a tax loophole that you have to buy." - D. Fry David A. Braun - FlashNoSpam@NoSpamDeathStar.org - DoD # 412 http://www.deathstar.org/~flash/ Bike Manuscript Works, LLC, Ft. Collins, CO 80527-1643 =========================================================================== From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 10 21:24:17 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Court Fisher Subject: BMW: Re: Euro initial inquiry Cc: David Braun , Mark Novitz Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 01:09:37 +0000 Reply-To: Court Fisher David offers Mark some generally good advice, but AAA has not been a source of Euro green card vehicle insurance for ten years. Current specialty broker sources for this coverage are included in the Euro 'rolodex' resource list already posted to Mark. Court Fisher Princeton NJ all the usual suspect acronyms court.fisherNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:54:25 -0400 >From: Flash - DoD #412 >Subject: Re: BMW: Europe/Initial Inquiry/Any Help? > >Mark said: >> I'm just starting to noodle around with the idea of taking the R80RT >> to Europe for 6-8 weeks. I need some help, obviously. Can any folks >> help point me in the right direction for info on: SNIP >> Insurance...typically, does my current policy cover travel in Europe, >> and if it doesn't (as I expect), how is this best handled? > >The AAA can help you buy insurance for your bike. You might have to SNIP >=========================================================================== > "A radar detector is a tax loophole that you have to buy." - D. Fry > David A. Braun - FlashNoSpam@NoSpamDeathStar.org - DoD # 412 > http://www.deathstar.org/~flash/ > Bike Manuscript Works, LLC, Ft. Collins, CO 80527-1643 >=========================================================================== From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 11 03:04:25 1997 From: Thomas Machts To: "'IBMWList'" Cc: "'mark.novitzNoSpam@NoSpamny.ubs.com'" Subject: BMW: Europe/Initial Inquiry/Any Help? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:46:09 +0200 Reply-To: Thomas Machts Mark wrote: > I'm just starting to noodle around with the idea of taking the R80RT > to Europe for 6-8 weeks. I need some help, obviously. Can any folks > help point me in the right direction for info on: > Shipping...getting the bike there. Who, how? Names... > Papers...what do I need to get rolling once there, and what do I need > to move easily from country to country? > Insurance...typically, does my current policy cover travel in Europe, > and if it doesn't (as I expect), how is this best handled? > That should pretty much cover the "initial inquiry"...of course, if > anyone knows any particularly good book titles that have all this info > already in them, let me know...I'll run out and grab it... > Thanks in advance to any and all prezzes who can offer advice. I'm > always grateful... I know that Lufthansa transports bikes. Of course more expensive than by ship and You have to put the bike into a box. On the other hand the bike flies with You in the same plane. As I remember correctly, the price depends also the dimensions of the box. So the more You disassemble, the cheaper it becomes. There was an article concerning shipping bikes around the world in an issue of "Das Motorrad". If You do not get sufficient information already, I can have a look into it again for You. Best Regards Thomas Machts Grenoble-France From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 11 04:56:30 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:48:58 -0700 From: Robert Entenman Organization: Cimo Sim Spa To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Re: Info on Euro-tour X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: Robert Entenman --------------FEDF8AF76FF90699579751B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm just starting to noodle around with the idea of taking the R80RT > to Europe for 6-8 weeks. I need some help, obviously. Can any folks > help point me in the right direction for info on: > Whitehorse Press, New Hampshire (800-531-1133) has a book titled Motorcycle Journeys through the Alps by John Hermann and another titled Europe by Motorcycle by Gregory Frazier, plus some others that may be of interest, Motorcycle Touring -- an International Directory and the Federation Internationale Cyclisme International Touring Handbook. Prices are $20 each except the last which is $10. I haven't read any of them, just seen their catalog (p.4 for above titles). If you come this way, I'd be glad to join you for a run round the lakes! Robert '96 K1100RS Milan, Italy --------------FEDF8AF76FF90699579751B4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
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Whitehorse Press, New Hampshire (800-531-1133) has a book titled Motorcycle Journeys through the Alps by John Hermann and another titled Europe by Motorcycle by Gregory Frazier, plus some others that may be of interest, Motorcycle Touring -- an International Directory and the Federation Internationale Cyclisme International Touring Handbook. Prices are $20 each except the last which is $10. I haven't read any of them, just seen their catalog (p.4 for above titles). If you come this way, I'd be glad to join you for a run round the lakes!
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Milan, Italy --------------FEDF8AF76FF90699579751B4-- From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 11 07:52:12 1997 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 07:39:47 -0400 From: Daniel Quick Subject: BMW: Europe/Initial Inquiry/Any Help? To: IBMWR mailing list Cc: Mark Reply-To: Daniel Quick >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:47:13 -0500 >From: Lee Freedman Mark said: > >>> Shipping...getting the bike there. Who, how? Names... It would you checking out the Moto Europa page at: http://www.ideamerge.com/motoeuropa1/index.html There are some useful tips there. I will send you a copy of the page (HTML) as a EXE file seperately. Safe Riding Daniel Quick = dlquickNoSpam@NoSpamcompuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dlquick Oxford UK Flautist Extraordinaire :-) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 11 16:38:39 1997 From: "Jeffrey Harth" To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:38:04 -0400 Subject: BMW: Jesus, what have I done? Now SHE wants a bike, too. Reply-To: "Jeffrey Harth" Prezzes. First, thanks to all for the suggestions on how to keep my passenger comfy on her first long-distance ride (was reducing the bitch factor - she read the post and went ballistic on the terminology, go figure). Your suggestions proved very helpfull. Some things we learned: 1. Get rid of the stock seat. She fell in love with the Corbin. I know because I caught her straddling the bike without... well, anyway. 2. Frequent stops every hour or hour and a half, even for a few minutes is very nice. Good opportunity for photos and to stretch MY legs. BTW, DairyQueens are about an hour apart. 3. You can have a great long-distance ride without an intercom. Make sure you agree on the appropriate hand gestures ahead of time. 4. Meet other BMW riders on trip. You folks were a blast! 5. Don't ride through a tornado. (Story to follow at a later date). 6. Take a camelback in the tank bag with a driking hose long enough to reach her too. 7. Eat at truck stops. They have the best food. 8. Stay at B&B's, don't camp - unless she wants to. 9. The Nevada Touring pants are great for petite womem. They looked great on her and she loved them too. I know, I caught her in them without... And here, I thought those Harleyriderdudes were looking at my bike! So, 2200 miles, 4 new BMW rider friends, 2 fights, 3 inconsiderate cage drivers, 200 bottle rockets, a very large T-storm system with tornado, 0 mechanical breakdowns, and 1 home-baked by grandma Alabama pecan pie, and we're back. Now, the scary news; she has fallen in love with riding, wants to take the MSF course, and get her own bike - something about the view of the back of my helmet or being able to ride off and leave me or something or other. Its scary because I know how good she is at things that she tries. I'll tell you about the skeet shooting incident some other time. I don't know if my manhood would survive if she starts to dust my testosteronic ego in the curves. Hmm. How much is that K1200? 8-) Jeff Harth 85 K100RS - Red (Klaus) Philadelphia, PA 85 K100RS - Blue (Hans) Munich, Germany "Yes officer, I know I was speeding. I was trying to catch up to my girlfriend!" From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 11 17:31:44 1997 From: Tom Nash To: "'bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com'" , "'mark.novitzNoSpam@NoSpamny.ubs.com'" Subject: BMW: RE: Europe/Initial Inquiry/Any Help? Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:04:58 -0700 Reply-To: Tom Nash Mark, I am doing the same thing next summer (1998). >Shipping...getting the bike there. Who, how? Names...< Lufthansa. Call them up and explain what you want to do. You ride your = bike to the airport, they pack it up in an LD-7 container (which fits = sideways across the belly of a wide-body airliner (B-747 or A-340), and = you ride away at the other end. In my case, airlifting my K1100RS from = San Francisco to Frankfurt and back to San Francisco will cost me about = $2500.00. That price is just for the bike, your ticket is in addition = to that. >Papers...what do I need to get rolling once there, and what do I need=20 to move easily from country to country?< For your length of trip (6 to 8 weeks) your USA registration is good, as = is your American driver's license. According to the Police in three = different countries I checked with while in Europe last month, nothing = else is required for all of Western Europe. If you are going into = former Eastern bloc countries, that may not apply, and you had better = check with the individual country in advance. One caution: Make = quick-release provisions to take your USA license plate OFF THE BIKE = when you park. European kids think USA motorcycle license plates make = great souveniers. >Insurance...typically, does my current policy cover travel in Europe,=20 and if it doesn't (as I expect), how is this best handled?< Most USA vehicle insurance companies do not cover you in Europe. There = is a motorcycle insurance company in New York City set up specifically = for this purpose, but I don't have the name and phone number with me (I = am at my office, the number is at home in my 1998 European Trip file = folder.) E-mail me directly and I will get the name and phone number to = you this weekend. Insurance through them is expensive: around $125.00 = per week, more if you plan to carry a passenger. (My wife says I cannot = buy the passenger insurance because she does not want me picking up = little French cuties on my way through Paris.) I am still checking for = less-expensive alternatives, and if you remain interested in pursuing = this, I will let you know what I find. For personal insurance, check with your health and homeowner's insurance = companies first, before going out and buying special vacation insurance. = My health insurance and dental insurance covers anywhere in the world, = and some homeowner's or renter's policies will surprise you with what = they cover. Tom Nash '94 K1100RS San Francisco=00=00 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 14 11:00:00 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:41:18 -0600 From: Steve Aikens Organization: PC Solutions, Inc. To: cmcdougalNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: dtothNoSpam@NoSpamsouthconn.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Long Distance Riding Comments???? Reply-To: Steve Aikens CMcdougalNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > I am embarking on a 2000 miler from San Antonio, Tx to Charlotte Vt. My > longest trip ever. i am gonna try to do 1000 miles a day although some of the > old salts have warned me to be careful of this. I have spent a few days > lately doing 500+ miles and 10-12 hours in the saddle here in TX so I think I > am up to it. I will send the list trip reports if my notebook computer still > works when I get there. > > Charlie Mac Charlie, Be sure and pay careful attention to the signals your body sends you. Drink lots of water, stretch when you stop for fuel, drink lots of water, and be sure to eat light meals when you travel. It's better to eat several small meals, drink lots of water, something light at every other stop, than your normal B'fast, Lunch, Dinner, and lots of water. I've also found that Gatorade helps renew electrolights - along with lots of water. Now that you're drinking "lots of water", you should be making lots of "drain your tank" stops. Pay attention to your urine. The darker yellow/orange it turns, the more at risk you're becoming. This is the body's first sign of dehydration, physical, and mental exhaustion (YES - mental exhaustion will change the color of your urine). Any one of the three, by itself, can get you hurt if you continue to ride outside your bodies limits. Drink lots of water, don't over-do it. The "break-point" for most riders going longer than their average is at about 20 to 25 percent more miles than they're used to, from what I've experienced and gathered from others over the years. If you start to feel the days ride's no longer fun and you're just "trying to get there", it's time to take a break and stop for the night. Ride safe and enjoy yourself, DRINK LOTS OF WATER. -- I don't suffer from insanity.....I enjoy every minute of it! Steve Aikens, Clovis, New Mexico steve.aikensNoSpam@NoSpam3lefties.com My BMW URL is http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4323/ Don't drop by very often, it never changes. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 14 19:08:34 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:49:31 -0300 To: , From: "Robert Vinet (E.COMMERCE TODAY)" Subject: BMW: Motorcycle Links Reply-To: "Robert Vinet (E.COMMERCE TODAY)" Hey Guys and Gals, Here are some Motorcycle links you may be interested in. ALLSTATES WORLDWIDE DELIVERY ALLSTATES can ship your car, truck, RV, motorcycle, to any destination in the World. Primary price range: $500 - Over $1000 US Accepts: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover Card, Cash, Check or Money Order, Direct Bill Methods of ordering: Telephone, Fax Contacts: mikegNoSpam@NoSpamaswd.com >> Site: http://www.quiknet.com/~asmcp BEACH'S MOTORCYCLE ADVENTURES, LTD. Motorcycle Tours to New Zealand, the European Alps, Norway and other destinations, European Motorcycle rentals. 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Canada E3B 1X6 506/454-7145 Mailto: vnetworkNoSpam@NoSpamnbnet.nb.ca ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 18 12:05:30 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Court Fisher Subject: BMW: Re: Experience with Knopf Touring Cc: Ralph Robertson Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:36:21 +0000 Reply-To: Court Fisher >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 04:30:35 -0400 (EDT) >From: BenByronNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com >Subject: BMW: Experience with Knopf Touring > >Have any of the Prezzes had any experience with Knopf Motorcycle Touring? >They advertise in BMW ON and are located in Heidelberg. Ad says they rent >K75's. >TIA >Ralph Robertson >------------------------------ Ralph, I've never personally rented from Stefan Knopf, but I have a half dozen letters and more phone conversations from MOA members who've been very satisfied with his rental service. Since Knopf is very much a 'family' business, you usually need to reserve pretty far in advance--at least during 'high' riding season. I think it generally works better if Stefan himself is available at the time you might be picking up a bike. Court Fisher Princeton NJ all the usual suspect acronyms court.fisherNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 22 21:45:25 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 01:31:23 UT From: "Eric Cleaveland" To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Trans Africa 98....anyone else going ? Reply-To: "Eric Cleaveland" Greetings All , Just wondering if anyone else has committed (or is seriously thinking about) the 98 trans Africa ride from Tours For Africa . ? I am doing the North ride....Capetown-----> Cario . I have spent alot of time in Africa (12+ trips ) leading photo workshops and shooting on my own for an upcoming book . It's a trip I've wanted to do on my own , but the supported structure of T. F. A. made it a doable thing for me . So , if anyone else is going....let's talk ! Eric Cleaveland Cazenovia , NY K1100RS 900SS (bevel drive ! ) MKIII Commando T150V Trident and LOTS of others (and a BIG barn ) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 22 23:47:47 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Court Fisher Subject: BMW: Re: NJ/NYC rentals Cc: Steve Peterson Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 03:35:27 +0000 Reply-To: Court Fisher Steve, BMW NY Motorcycles, in Huntington LI, and Manhattan, is a NYC agent/location for California Motorcycle Rentals; contact BMW NY at 516-427-4045, 212-242-1600, , (www.bmwny.com). There are no bike rental sources in NJ to my knowledge. best, Court Fisher Princeton NJ all the usual suspect acronyms court.fisherNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------- >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:18:52 -0600 >From: SDP >Subject: BMW: NJ/NYC MC Rentals? > >Esteemed Presidents: > >Is anyone aware of a place from which I might rent a motorcycle in the >Newark, NJ or New York City vacinity? Will be visiting a friend in the >area, but don't have enough vacation to ride all the way out from Denver >and back. Feel free to email direct as this probably is of little general >interest to the list. > >TIA, > >Steve Peterson >'79 R100RT >'75 MkIII Norton > >------------------------------ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 10:57:37 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:37:30 -0400 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Tim Hall Subject: BMW: Long Distance Riding Reply-To: Tim Hall Was looking around the web and happened on this interesting site http://www.piaggio.com/hotnews/cs3.html This guy is really into long distance riding, tho I doubt his choice of mount ;-) First ride was Rome to Siagon 1992-93. The latest was Anchorage Alaska to Ushuaia, South America 1994-95. His latest trip is going to be Autralia to South Africa(water wings??) ********************************************* '82 R65 '85 Fiero (for sale!! Make offer!!) '93 SC2 "Life in the fast lane is great, unless you're a toad" Some Drunk on the Boston MBTA ********************************************* From EsquireTedNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com (Ted Verrill) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BMW: New England Trip (Long) http://users.aol.com/esquireted/moto.htm Day 1, part 1: Washington DC to Pittsfield, Massachusetts [...] quickly decided that 5:00am wasn't too early and before I knew it my alarm was flashing 04:30 and squawking like a cat that had it's tail stepped on. I jumped out of bed, and had the 4-part packing done in two quick trips to the bike. The 4-part packing system consists of two hard case bags, an REI dry bag, and the multivario. I have it down so that it takes all of three minutes to completely pack the bike - all I need are two straps for the dry bag. All my clothes, a pint of oil and the map book go into the hardcases, my tent, sleeping bag, Thermarest and Gerbings jacket go into the dry bag, and everything else goes into the multivario. This brings up an interesting point...what does one really need to travel? After several road trips my multivario has become the center of my "need it now" riding universe and some of the funky things that are now in there replaced things that common sense said belonged there but I found I had no use for. Take the MOA Anonymous book. It is small and initially rested in the bottom part of the multivario. In all of my travels I have needed this exactly twice...now it resides in the tail case of the bike where it is out of the way but at hand if needed. I have an old map of the eastern US that has been with me on 6 or 7 long trips now. I have found that using the map book to make notes on a piece of paper is far more useful then trying to work with too fine of a map. I simply make notes on a small piece of paper and tuck it in next to the "just right" folded map. Looking down for 100 to RIGHT on 105 is much easier at 80mph then trying to find it on a map. I keep the map book in one of the side cases, it rests nicely against the outside cover (so the Kathy's bag accessory pocket fits nicely in the recess on the inner part of the bag.) I keep a short length of 1/8" cable with splice eyelets on both ends in the tankbag. When I have to leave the helmet and my jacket with the bike I thread it through the chinguard and down one of the sleeves of the jacket, then lock it to the helmet lock. It sure won't stop a determined thief but what will? I am mostly worried about the guy who sees it and thinks it would make a neat addition to his closet. I figure that in public, if it looks like a hassle, for the most part they'll move on. I have a MiniMag light that has proved almost as valuable as the Swiss Army knife, from checking oil levels to finding a runaway oil filler cap. I keep a cell phone handy, haven't needed to use it yet except to report a drunk driver. I keep a logbook with a pen so that I can keep notes on the bike's mileage and a rough draft of a trip report. I keep an altoid tin with singles each folded over into 1/4 and a pile of change for tolls. I carry a Wee-Willy, one of the few truly useful motorcycle accessories I have bought (and only $10!) In a carefully tucked away corner of the bag, in a zip-loc baggie, I carry a single photocopy sheet of my drivers license, my motorcycle and health insurance cards, the motorcycle's inspection & registration, and emergency contact numbers. Lastly, I carry a few cigars close at hand :) [...] Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:21:58 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Harth" Subject: BMW: Camping column in ON - Ian Schmeisser Hey Ian, Nice job on the new camping column in the December ON! As a long-time, extreme condition camper (personal record is -18F in a tent w/ wind-chill - -60F) I cannot agree with your advice more. Keep it simple, start slow, borrow gear until you know motorcycle camping is for you. Then go buy everything you can think of! I have as much invested in my camping gear as I have in my bike. There is definitely something special about sitting at a campsite at dusk eating terrific food with your friends and seeing the campfire reflecting off of the bikes. Almost made me go buy a GS just so I could get out further into the wilderness. Thanks for sharing your experience and the resource list. I predict great things from this column. Cheers, Jeff Harth Philly 1986 K100RS Road Assist Rider Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:15:09 -0500 From: "Eric Cleaveland" Subject: BMW: Therm A Rest "LiteFoam " (tm) Hello again Ian (and list ) , Well , it seems there is alot of interest in the new family of Therm A Rests (TAR ) so I guess it's time to let my fellow prezzs know what we are up to . We are always looking for ways to make our TARs lighter and smaller . With the LE products (still current products, btw ) we bore the solid foam blank , creating air channels that run across the width of the pad . This did exactly what we intended , but at the cost of extra labor and waste . 2 years ago we took a new approach with our Ultralite (UL) product . Starting with a solid foam blank that is about 15 inches wide we die-cut the foam all the way through . We then EXPAND the foam to make a 20 inch wide mattress . The result is VERY impressive . A LiteFoam UL 3/4 (20x47x1.0 ) weighs 15 oz. and has the stored volume of a can of Foster's Lager . This has proven to be totally bombproof in terms of durability . So for 98 we are using LiteFoam Thruout our line . We will still have solid foam TARs (and I expect to see some very aggressive retail pricing on these ) and LiteFoam in Stds (20x47x1.5 , 20x72x1.5) and ULs . However the BIG news is a new XL family of pads that are sized more like the CampRest (tm) pads . For example , a current solid foam CampRest is 25x77x 2.0 and weighs 3lbs 13 oz . with a rolled size of 26x6 . A LiteFoam XL is 25x77x1.6 inches and weighs 2lbs 11oz with a rolled size of 26x 4 ! This is an inch smaller in diameter than a regular solid TAR long ! There is also a XL3/4 25x56x1.6 at 1lb 15 and 26x 4 stored size ! AND , suggested retail on an XL is less than a solid Camprest $71. vs $80. (uses less foam ) . These will be available in Jan 98 . Hope this helps....... Best , Eric Cleaveland Cazenovia , NY - -----Original Message----- From: Ian Schmeisser To: Eric Cleaveland Cc: Kit Vercella Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Camping column in ON - Ian Schmeisser >Thanks Eric. I would be interested in trying a Litefoam mattress. My charter >really isn't to do product reviews, though... you could contact Kit Vercella >(I've copied him on this e-mail). He and I are angling to get Douglass to do >a special camping issue. > >So what is Litefoam? I may want to buy one... I'm always looking for a bit >more room to pack. > >Ian > >Also --> please keep an eye out for the camping website at bmwmoa.org You >will have an opportunity to contribute your expertise to benefit those less >experienced. The site is not up yet, but will be soon. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Cleaveland >To: Ian Schmeisser >Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com >Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 5:36 PM >Subject: BMW: Re: Re: Camping column in ON - Ian Schmeisser > > >> >>Hello Ian , >>Let me also add a thumbs up on the new ON column . I have been an >>independent sales rep in the outdoor industry for 25+ years . For the last >>15 I have repped Cascade Designs (ThermARest, etc.. ) and Outdoor Research >>. If I can be of any help please let me know........Wanna try next years >>Litefoam ThermARest.......? I've got a few kicking around........ >> >> >> >>Best , >>Eric Cleaveland >>Cazenovia , NY Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:10:58 -0800 From: "Lee Hart" Subject: RE: BMW: Camelback Larry Sabo wrote: >1) Which version is preferred - the backpack type or the >one that goes around the waist?? This is your call. One thing to keep in mind is that the lower the Camelback, the harder it is to draw water out of it. >2) What capacity seems most efficient - anywhere from >40 ounces to 90 ounces is available ?? For me it's the largest one that I can comfortably carry in any given situation. I have a 32, 40, 70 & 90 Oz. varieties. If I were buying them all new right now I would probably only have the 40 and the 90, but I would still have at least two. (I also use them for bicycling, Jeeping (strap it to the roll bar) & hiking.) >3) Do you wear it under or over your jacket?? Yes It varies with the jacket. >4) Anyone figure out how to mount it to a tank bag?? Remember they don't work very well when perfectly flat. The bladder will eventually flatten where the tube draws and you'll have a tough time getting water out w/o squeezing the bag. You want the bottom of the bladder (where the tube exits) to be lower than the rest. >5) And the most important question is, of course, which is the >fastest color?? I'm a basic black sort of guy. Lee '98 K1200RSL #0039, '97 M900