From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 4 13:10:44 1997 From: "Jim Bessette" Original-From: "Jim Bessette" Original-From: "Jim Bessette" Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:41:43 -0600 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: 2 days\2 deer\2 trucks (long) Reply-To: "Jim Bessette" On Jun 3, 10:12pm, James B. Hair wrote: > I left my > house near Springfield Mo. and headed south to Arkansas. Oh man Jim. You've brought back GREAT memories for me. I've ridden most of those roads you mentioned. I love NE Arkansas. I camped at Aux Arc Park (spelled something like that), did Magazine Mtn, Mt Nebo, 23, 16, 14, 7 etc. I forget which I did going "home" from the first Blitz. For anyone thinking of riding in AR, stop at one of the visitor centers and get one of the state maps. All the good roads are marked with blue or orange ovals or circles. Ride ALL of them. > One thing you do have to keep in mind when you ride alone in a > fairly isolated area is if you go off the road in the woods you may not be > found for a while. I noticed I do ride more conservatively when on my own (which is 98% of the time). I just did 191 in AZ (aka 666) and it was spectacular. 60 miles of twisties. One of the best I've ever ridden. But as you say, they wouldn't have found me for quite some time if I'd gone over. Especially since nobody even knew I was there. Glad you avoided the "obstacles". I can't wait to get there again. I'm planning on trailering to AR (drop off Becky) and then ride to the RA rally in NC. I think I'll split from her up north and do some of those roads again. -- Jim Bessette | Experiencing | First BMW '89 K100RS/ABS bessetteNoSpam@NoSpamdrmail.dr.lucent.com | BMW evolution | Second BMW '93 R100GS/PD Westminster, CO. USA | in reverse | Third BMW '68 R50/2 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 20 17:19:58 1997 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:00:40 -0700 From: L G Burnett <"buddyburNoSpam@NoSpambellsouth.net"NoSpam@NoSpamBellsouth.net> To: gregkNoSpam@NoSpamepix.net Cc: BMWMCNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Smokies Reply-To: L G Burnett <"buddyburNoSpam@NoSpambellsouth.net"NoSpam@NoSpamBellsouth.net> gregkNoSpam@NoSpamepix.net wrote: > > I am going to be taking a ride south from PA over the July 4th week. > I was planning on going through the Smokies and then heading towards > the coast. Head for the Blue Ridge parkway and Highway 129 and Deal's Gap. Stay out of Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge because the traffic will be unbearable. Townsend, Tennessee is a neat place if you are looking for places to stay in the smokies. Townsend is near the Foothills Parkway. Buddy Burnett Nashville, Tennessee From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 21 17:04:36 1997 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:48:19 -0700 From: Sam Sarmast To: Internet BMW Subject: Re: BMW: Dest: CO Reply-To: Sam Sarmast Jim Bessette wrote: > > On Jun 17, 7:46pm, Sam Sarmast wrote: > > > > If you do take any trips try to hit Black Canyon (?) can't remember > > the exact name of it but it's south of Aspen. > > Black Canyon of the Gunnison. Just went there. > thanks Jim, great ride in my opinion. the only hard part is trying to figure out if you want to slow down and watch the scenery or speed up and ride the nice curves. laters, SamS From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 23 15:24:33 1997 From: tom_keenNoSpam@NoSpamcoax.net (Tom Keen) To: Vasudev.SudarsanaNoSpam@NoSpamchase.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:00:04 +0000 Subject: BMW: Seeking Advice NYC to Detroit (motown) Reply-To: tom_keenNoSpam@NoSpamcoax.net (Tom Keen) > > I'm looking for advice on long distance riding in the States, more > > specifically, I'll be riding from New York > > City to Detroit on the 4th of july weekend and plan to do the ride (600 > > or so miles) in 1 day. Any advice would > > be really appreciated.... You will be on the interstate freeway system the whole way. There are plenty of "Rest Areas" along the way. Count on lots of traffic that will average 55 mph. It will be hot. The forth of July holiday weekend is alway hot. Sudden afternoon thunderstorms are likely... I ride to Detroit several times a month...if you have to travel to the northern areas, avoid at all costs, going through the city on I75. Choose an alternative route around the city. The traffic is heavy, they drive like crazy and the road is full of pot holes.... a nasty ride... do it once and you will quit riding before you do it again :) Tom From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 26 01:06:29 1997 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:53:21 -0700 From: Mark Etheridge <2thermoNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net> To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: How I missed Chief Joesph (long) Reply-To: Mark Etheridge <2thermoNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net> Hi all: I am just back from what seemed like every back road in Eastern Oregon and Northern California. 3200 miles of pure bliss in six days including one 650 mile day that I ended still wanting to ride. Even as a two decade NW resident I have never been to Abert Rim in Oregon (Awe inspiring at sunset) nor seen the fake trooper North of Lakeview (too funny, thanks for all the tips from Prez Dan Arnold) or found bizarre routes to the Lost Coast south of Eureka where I had an entire stretch of Ocean to myself. Again, thanks to the Lost Coast Prezzes for some -Great- info! I have done this and more and can't wait to return to many of the roads and sights i experienced. There is too much to say so I will try to sketch rather than paint: Crater Lake in the early morning after running thirty miles up the perfectly straight road from Diamond Lake Junction (at triples ;-) ) The incredible ride from Ferndale (off 101 South of Eureka) to Petrolia and Honeydew then back out into the Humbolt State Park where by looking up above the road I could pretend I was in the Star Wars scene filmed there. The Mendocino Coast with a Seattle Motorcycle Cop on a 93 K police bike. Talk about a get out of jail free card. Connecting CA 36 with Ca 299 by riding US Forest service #1 fifty-seven miles along the spine of the Coast mountains with the trinity Alps on one side and the Coastal Ranges on the other. Truly the back,back roads.-- Missing the deer by inches North of Burns in a tight fast turn and being ever so happy to be alive. And...on Tuesday being the last BMW through Heppner via the Blue Mt Scenic Byway. There wasn't anybody there from the rally but it was fun anyway. I did everything I wanted to do on the ride, never saw rain, met great people, stayed in great places and for six days led a charmed life. I want to thank everyone for all the help that made the route trully wonderful, the prezzes mentioned above and Max Hutton as well. Mark XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XX XX XX Mark Etheridge R850R IBMWR MOA WSBMWR XX XX "The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is Inescapable" XX XX XX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 30 22:47:08 1997 To: GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: S. Utah trip/ HELP X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-6,8,10-11,13,15-16,18-22,24,26,28,30,32,34-35, 37,39,41-44 From: markcrowderNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Mark A Crowder) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:15:37 EDT Reply-To: markcrowderNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Mark A Crowder) On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:40:35 -0400 (EDT) GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com writes: > >I plan to ride in S Utah for perhaps 4 days. Will motel it on this segment. > Will be leaving from Atlanta. So here is my mission. "SHE" wants to >join me via Delta. That's ok .. but .. it seems Grande Junction is >closest point to where I may be staying?! Since the bike will be packed I need to >first find a motel " then " pick her up and we will ride for 4 days each day >not to exceed 300 miles. Originaly I was going to stay at Moab for no >particular reason. I really need some help on this one. I need a target town to >stay at that we can ride 300 miles round trip each day and see what ever. >Less miles is better! If this makes any sense at all then you know my >problem and I sure would welcome some ideas beyond telling the old girl to stay >home, which I do not want to do. > Gately, No need to leave her. At the airport in GJ, make a reservation at a hotel in Las Vegas (or maybe Flagstaff) for four days (or so) hence. Tell them that you'll be shipping a package and to hold it for you. Carry all your camping gear over to the Fed-Ex booth and send it too the hotel. Enjoy a nice trip through Arches, Canyonlands, Bryce, and Zion. Check into the hotel in LV, put her on the airport shuttle the next morning, load up your gear and be on your way ... You'll have make reservations for each night and purchase two one-way tickets, but it beats the heck out of day-tripping in Utah. Awesome scenery. And stay out late at least one night -- the starscape on the high desert is not to be missed! Mark Crowder Garland, TX markcrowderNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com We're the ones you're mother warned you about From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 1 09:52:38 1997 From: Harris_Gary/ny_technologyNoSpam@NoSpamexplorer.siny.com X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 97 09:23:24 -0400 Subject: FW: BMW: Going to Maine for the Fourth To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com, EsquireTedNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Reply-To: Harris_Gary/ny_technologyNoSpam@NoSpamexplorer.siny.com >The infamous Larry Fears and I will be heading up to Maine from Washington DC >Wednesday evening for a few days of stamp-hunting, rabble-rousing and eating >Lobster. Barry Blank's description of the Tappan Zee (my favorite route ever >I usually go the "95 - NJT - GSParkway - Tappan Zee - 86/684 - 90 - 290 - 495 >- 95 - Maine Turnpike - Rt. 1 coastal (with a detour on 90 around Rockland) >to Lincolnville" route but am more then willing to sidetrack, especially for >National Park Stamps :)) Ted, If you really want stamps, you could pick up the Taconic Pkwy North after crossing the Tapan Zee Bridge. Just get off at the Sall Mill River Pkwy North exit. The Saw Mill will take right to the Taconic. After passing Fishkill, take 55 west towards Poughkeepsie, then route 9 north to Hyde Park. There you will find the Vanderbuilt's shack, FDR's pad and Eleanor's too!. THREE STAMPS!! Then head north on 9 to Kinderhook and you'll find Martin Van Buren's digs. Afterwards, head a little farther north on 9 and you can pick up 90 east, or you could go just a leetle farther north on 9 and get a stamp from Saratoga. Howzat? Let me know when you're coming through, maybe I'll join ya for the stamps! Gary - NYC From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 3 05:17:03 1997 From: James_F_Brown_at_4H-MAIL3BNoSpam@NoSpamCCGATE.HAC.COM Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 15:07:52 PST8 To: Bob Mugele Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: $MegHwy Reply-To: James_F_Brown_at_4H-MAIL3BNoSpam@NoSpamCCGATE.HAC.COM Bob Mugele posts: //SNIP// This route takes you over 6 10,000 ft. (or higher) passes and over the "Million Dollar Highway" (US 550) between Ouray and Silverton. The whole stretch from Ouray to Durango is very enjoyable with great roads and scenery, but far too much traffic to suit me. ============================ Bob, try $MegHwy in October, after tourist season ends. It's really nice then! :) +----------------------------------------------+ | jfbrownNoSpam@NoSpampower.net (J.F. Brown) | | Net Surfin' from Manhattan Beach, California | +----------------------------------------------+ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 7 21:57:24 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:36:03 -0400 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Don Eilenberger Subject: BMW: RE: Riding/Rally in RubberCow Country (Pt. 3) Cc: mark.novitzNoSpam@NoSpamny.ubs.com Reply-To: Don Eilenberger Mark commented on a road I mentioned to Reid the night before: > We spent much of breakfast talking about the local road out of Big > Indian that ran through past Claryville to 55. It was a truly great > road with beautiful sites everywhere. There were so many places we > could have stopped. At one point the road climbs fairly hard and > fast, obviously heading to the top of the mountain, and just as you > reach the top of the last hill, when you expect to look off to one > side or the other and so some panorama or vista, instead, off to the > left is a beautiful lake, sunk into the top of the mountain like gravy > in a pile of mashed potatoes. We also passed a French-style chateau > kind-of place with multiple dwellings and horses, a huge YMCA area > right in the middle of nowhere (with hundreds of kids playing > outside), and a one-person-wide rickety-looking wooden suspension > bridge that crossed over the river we were riding up alongside for > most of that road. Highly recommended. Some history and comments on the road mentioned.. I'd taken the road - which runs from Curry NY to Big Indian NY (in Curry, look for the sign saying Claryville off 55).. on the way up to Udder Nonsense to see how things had changed over the past 3+ decades.. The year I graduated high-school, before entering college, I worked in this valley, at the YMCA camp. There are few spots I know of that have the concentrated beauty of this valley. The road in question follows the Neversink River - supposed to be one of the best trout streams in NY. The road is never much more than 20 feet from the river - and often a lot closer. The mansion they passed was the summer house of the original owner of most of the valley - an early 20th Century Robber Baron - named Forstman.. who owned what at the time was Forstman Mills (it is now one of the better known mill companies - makes towels, sheets and such, and I forget the name). He bought about 8 miles of the valley, from mountain ridge to mountain ridge and set about building his summer camp. The main house has 45+ rooms, 4 floors and a tower going one story higher, elevator, gold fixtures, exotic woods throughout and is stone/shingle construction. He also built a few outbuildings - like a 20 stall stable, a watchmans house for the winter, and various support buildings of all sorts. The main house was built around 1918, and was for the time fully modern - electricity (with a generator plant in another building), elevator and steam heat. Around 1958, the Newark NJ YMCA Area Association decided their summer camp in NJ was too small, and being encroached upon by development (it was in upper NJ, Sussex county on lake Waywayanda) and struck a deal with the decendents of Forstman - they bought the entire property, with the mansion fully furnished for $50,000. 10,000 acres of land, the mansion, the river all for $50,000... the YMCA paid for it by selling several of the oriental rugs in the mansion. Mr. Forstman was a nature fancier - he liked deer - to the extent that he built a 12 foot deer-fence around the entire property and then stocked it with deer brought from Europe.. when I worked there walking at night was a hazard - deer were everywhere, hunting had not been allowed in the valley for almost 50 years. Luckily for me - the deer must have gotten the 4th of July off - didn't see a one! On days off - if we had nothing to do - we could stay overnight in the mansion - free. 4th floor - bedrooms off the billards room, gold fixtures in the baths and an observatory off the octagonal tower room with a telescope where you could see the entire property. The YMCA at that time was also running the mansion as a guest house for visiting parents, and as a conference location.. might make a super spot for a mini-IBMWR rally once the camp closes at the end of August. Time changes things - but I'm happy to say - it appears the valley has only improved. When I worked there - the pavement ended 30' past the mansion (Mr Forstman had some influence with the state in getting it paved to that point).. The preferred route would probably be north to south (Big Indian to Curry) since the upper portion (that climbs up the hill) was recently gravelled (and was 'interesting' coming down with loose gravel in the corners and the center of the lane), but either way it's a great road. Not a fast road - but a great one. Wish I had more time on my way up to stop and take a few pictures.. Anyone up for a ride sometime soon? There's a German guest house in Olivera that I stayed at with my wife the year we got married.. saw it Friday - still in business! Best, Don BTW - the valley in question is called Frost Valley, as is the YMCA camp.. dunno exactly why, but perhaps some mapmaker around the turn of the century had too much DinkleAcker and misspelled Forst(man).. ======================================= Don Eilenberger Spring Lk Hts, NJ, USA deilenbergerNoSpam@NoSpammonmouth.com ======================================= From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 10 20:23:01 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:11:55 -0700 From: Mark Etheridge <2thermoNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net> To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Cc: MikeC1003NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Subject: BMW: Re: nice escape Reply-To: Mark Etheridge <2thermoNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net> Mike and Maria wrote: > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:52:24 -0400 (EDT) > From: MikeC1003NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com > Subject: BMW: A Nice Escape-Hyampom, CA > > We recently took a short motorcycle vacation and spent a day at Ziegler's > Trails End Resort in Hyampom, CA. We thought it was a swell place. It's > located 24 mi west of Hayfork, CA, off Hwy 3, in Trinity County. > > We had a very relaxing stay and the roads are great-a nice escape. It's > about 300 mi from the Bay Area-say "Hi" to Lee and Thora and take a fishing > pole. There is also an airport. > Isn't that a great area? There are literally hundreds of miles of good, challenging roads in that area. CA 36, CA 299, USFS 1 that connects the two and CA 96 going north out of Willow Springs. Can't wait to go back. =================================================================== Mark Etheridge--Seattle, (we don't need no stinking summer) WA R850R Olympic - WSBMWR - Village Idiot - MOA - General Mayhem =================================================================== From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 11 19:31:03 1997 From: gregkNoSpam@NoSpamepix.net To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:15:23 +0000 Subject: BMW: I'm back Reply-To: gregkNoSpam@NoSpamepix.net Just got back from a fantastic ride through the Shenandoah National forest through the Blue Ridge Parkway and to the Great Smoky Mountain Nat Park. My SO came along for the ride and enjoyed the trip as much as I did. We took I81 from central PA to Rt66 and then into Shenandoah. For the first 20 miles or so, there were hardly any vehicles. The scenery was fantastic and the weather great. We camped at Big Meadows. That wasn't quite so enjoyable, as in there was a family across from us that failed to be quiet during quiet hours, and some "Deadheads" beside us playing Grateful Dead tunes till the wee hours. We awoke from a restless sleep to VERY cold showers (4 Quarters for 5 min). The SO was definately not happy about that. After that, things got better. After breakfast, we went to the Dark Hollow falls and hiked the mile or so to the falls. Very beautiful area! We then headed to the southern end of the park, stopping to take pictures at a few of the more spectacular overlooks. It was a great ride, but we were both tired from little sleep and she didn't want to camp after the first night fiasco, so we got off the Parkway and stayed the night at a hotel in Roanoke. With a good night's sleep behind us, we headed back to the Parkway and more breathtaking scenery and a smooth road. The speed limit south of the Park is 45mph, and we cruised at a comfortable (and fairly challenging) speed of 55mph. We saw quite a few Harleys on the road, although I noticed that none of them had out-of-state license plates. We also saw quite a few BMW's, and if any of you were on the Parkway and saw a purple (well that's what I call it.. they call it something else) K75S- it was us. One thing puzzles me though... the whole length of the trip, we didn't see a single road crew. Through the entire length of the Parkway is a strip of well-maintained grass on each side of the road. It made me wonder if there was some guy on a riding lawnmower who's only job was to ride down one side of the 400 mile + stretch of pavement, turning around and hitting the other side when he reached the end... a full time job heheh... never saw him though. I think that my SO has forsaken camping out, because despite feeble arguments from me, we ended up staying in a hotel in Asheville that night. She did promise that we could camp out the next day. The stretch of road from the Asheville area to the GSMNP was filled with the most fantastic scenery of the trip, the nicest stretch of road, and unfortunately the most traffic. We made it to the Park at about 4pm and stopped at the Oconaluftee Visitor's Center. Wouldn't you know it, the only campsite that wasn't full was the one at Look Rock, which is at the NW area of the park. By the time we got to that site, it was full too (Methinks she planned it somehow).... We ended up staying at a very cozy and inexpensive place in Townsend called the Scenic Hotel ( I recommend it highly if you don't camp out). I regret that we never got to ride the GAP, but it was getting to late to head back south. The following day we steered North and headed home via I81. The trip back was uneventful, and after hours of droning along at about 75mph, we (and our butts) were glad to get home. We met some great people during our ride. Talked to a few women motorcyclists heading north for the AMA Women's Conference. Chatted with many other motorcyclists, including a few BMW riders. I can say that between the scenery, weather and people, as well as great company on the passenger's seat, it was a wonderful ride. \/||/ (o o) +-------oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Greg Karper gregkNoSpam@NoSpamepix.net http://www.epix.net/~gregk/ +---------oooO--Oooo-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 20 15:10:02 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: "John M. Carruth" (by way of "Terence R. Evans, M.D." ) Subject: BMW: Cherohala Skyway Heads-up! FW: Skyway Robbery Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:06:05 +0000 Reply-To: "John M. Carruth" (by way of "Terence R. Evans, M.D." ) Hello: I got this message on a list I am on. FYI. I hope that they ease up on this by September. John ---------- From: owner-hstaNoSpam@NoSpamlistproc.bgsu.edu on behalf of John Swatzell Sent: Friday, July 11, 1997 11:28 PM To: Honda Sport Touring Association Subject: Skyway Robbery If you get multiple posts on this msg I'm posting it to 3 lists. Sorry for any duplications. Just wanted to post what's happening on the Cherohala Skyway. This is the new highway from Robbinsville, NC to Tellico Plains, TN. Last Sunday afternoon 3 of us were riding casually along near the top of the mountain. We came upon a cage doing about 35 mph. He slowed to about 20-25 obviously for us to pass which we did. About a mile or two down the road a county sheriff had a roadblock set for us. We stopped and another car came roaring up behind us and a helicopter suddenly appeared overhead. Seems we had passed on a double yellow line. You would've thunk we were escaped serial killers or something with all the troops chasing us. Anyhow, we all got a 75 dollar ticket to the policeman's ball. No matter about the guy slowing down, we should have waited for a passing zone. I'm not just bitchin' about a ticket. Guess I've deserved one a lot of times and got away with it. I just wanted to let everyone know the rest of the story. They said they were making sure that the skyway doesn't become another Deal's Gap. He said they don't have radar but don't take that to mean they won't get you for speeding. I got the definite message that they are targeting motorcyclists to discourage them from enjoying the skyway. One deputy said it's even on the internet about the new 50+ miles of virgin pavement. Imagine that. :-) Then he really hurt my feelings. He said we weren't the type of riders they were really after. They are after the "fast guys". (I ride an ST1100 and my partner rides a ZX11). Said they don't have any trouble with the Harley guys or the Goldwing riders. I was afraid to ask which one he thought we were. I suppose I'm helping them by relaying this to anyone coming this way but I hope maybe this will help you to know what to look for. Don't let it keep you from the new road. Just watch yer p's and q's a little closer. This applies to anywhere you ride in Graham County NC. They like yer money but not yer go fast motorcycles. John Swatzell From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 13:25:09 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:06:22 +0900 To: Diaz_JonNoSpam@NoSpammacmail1.cig.mot.com From: victorNoSpam@NoSpamcats.ucsc.edu (Victor M. Kimura) Subject: BMW: Summer trip Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: victorNoSpam@NoSpamcats.ucsc.edu (Victor M. Kimura) Jon Diaz writes about his summer trip: >We poked along in a parade of cars all the way to the intersection for >the northeast exit to the park. After stopping for a soda, we take the >NE road where we are immediately warned of 'Rough Road - Next 22 Miles.' >They aren't kidding....the roads were rougher than those in Chicago. >As we got out of the prairie section into the trees, the road got even >rougher. I crested a rise in time to see Sue's bike glide over a pothole, >the right saddlebag fall off her bike, and do a perfectly straight tumbling >slide for 200 feet. I jump off my bike, laughing hysterically at the >sight of a saddlebag sliding, and then groan when I realize that the >reason it fell off was that the front mounting hook broke off. Shit. > >This failure is unusual for a BMW saddlebag. But that doesn't help us >since we are 300 miles from a dealer (in the opposite direction, no >less), and about that time Sue comes flying back up the road, thinking >I'd crashed, to see me cradling her saddlebag. She didn't even realize >it had fallen off. Plus, her front wheel got dented. Double shit. > >We jury rig the saddlebag to the frame, and wobble out to the park >entrance. Sue fills out damage claim paperwork while I take lots of >pictures of the pothole. The ranger was very helpful and gave us >some good tips on how to proceed with a claim. Apparently this >happens very often with motorcyclists. We conclude that Yellowstone >simply needs to close for one whole summer to repair their shit roads. Jon, Sue must have hit the same $1,500 pothole I hit in Yellowstone. If I remember correctly, it was in a righthand turn in the north- eastern section (going clockwise around Yellowstone). Unfortunately I didn't think about filing a damage claim against Yellowstone, but was reminded of that possibility by my insurance carrier after I submitted my damage reimbursement paperwork. Is there anyway you can send me information on how to submit a damage claim? Addresses, telephone numbers, form numbers, etc. would be extremely helpful. Thanks. Victor ============================================================ Victor M. Kimura Monterey Bay BMW Riders Email: victorNoSpam@NoSpamcats.ucsc.edu IBMWR BOOF #92 Santa Cruz, California LSTC #2 1997 R1100RT (Gambaru) MOA #76804 1992 K75 (no name yet) ============================================================ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 15:36:20 1997 From: "Ian Schmeisser" To: "Victor M. Kimura" , Cc: Subject: BMW: Re: Summer trip -- S**t Roads Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:15:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Ian Schmeisser" My $0.02 about the shit roads in Yellowstone (where I damned near lost my life in a combination pothole/buffalo incident): The roads in this park and others are nuked by huge, heavy busloads of tourists. The roads simply were not designed to handle vehicles of this weight. I was amazed to learn how many of these tourists are from foreign countries, and that they pay no more to enter the park than us Yanks. IMO, people who don't pay taxes to maintain the park should pay significantly more to use them. Especially when they run roughshod with heavy vehicles. This isn't xenophobia, it's dollars and sense. Ian Schmeisser Atlanta, GA USA > Jon Diaz writes about his summer trip: > > > > Sue fills out damage claim paperwork while I take lots of > >pictures of the pothole. The ranger was very helpful and gave us > >some good tips on how to proceed with a claim. Apparently this > >happens very often with motorcyclists. We conclude that Yellowstone > >simply needs to close for one whole summer to repair their shit roads. > Victor says: > Sue must have hit the same $1,500 pothole I hit in Yellowstone. > If I remember correctly, it was in a righthand turn in the north- > eastern section (going clockwise around Yellowstone). Unfortunately > I didn't think about filing a damage claim against Yellowstone, but > was reminded of that possibility by my insurance carrier after I > submitted my damage reimbursement paperwork. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jul 26 19:34:42 1997 From: spikeNoSpam@NoSpamhevanet.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 97 16:25 PDT Subject: BMW: age, protective clothing, and motorcycles To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: spikeNoSpam@NoSpamhevanet.com >Now, tell me about some GOOD roads : ) >Voni > sMiling Ca. hwy 128 from 101 to Calistoga! Just before the sun sets when the light is all glowy! Spike Cornelius 85 K100(S) 65 Triumph 500 Portland,Or From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Aug 6 21:35:38 1997 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 17:34:06 -0700 From: Sam Lepore To: ChazMNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: looking for coast to coast advice/company Reply-To: Sam Lepore X-No-Archive: yes Having recently completed a 9,000 summer ride, I feel qualified to answer ... ChazMNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > than ten days and I prefer to take non-interstates. The big quandry I have You are giving yourself enough time, and even less than 400 miles a day will work fine. > is whether to high tail it to the rockies, or to take small roads the whole You do not need to take Interstates - unless you've already seen the Great American Wasteland between the east coast and the Rocky Mountains. If you haven't ridden through it at least once, it is worth the ride. > way. I have heard good things about a Canadian route, like going north of the Yeah, except the 'good' part doesn't start for a 1,000 miles west of the great lakes. Flat and boring in Canada is just like flat and boring in America. Plus, there's all that industrial and boring between you and Canada. Personally, I'd say not this trip ... > Great Lakes. I will probably be doing light camping/cheap motels if The most expensive motel I paid was $32, and most were $20-27. Just stay in small towns, not at the edge of big cities. > have any advice to give me? >From DC, take US50 through West Virginia to Cincinnati, US52 to Indianapolis, US36 to Denver, then any paved road across the Rockies. (Although a more definitive approach might be US34 through Rocky Mountain National Park, US40 to Vernal UT, US191 to Green River WY, US191 to Jackson Hole WY, 31 to Idaho Falls ID, US20 to Arco ID, US93 to Lolo MT, US 12 - the Lolo Trail to Lewiston ID ... then just keep going west.) _________________________ Sam Lepore, San Francisco From Mark Etheridge <2thermoNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:08:06 -0700 From: Mark Etheridge <2thermoNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net> Subject: BMW: Re: Labor day ride/pit stop > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:33:54 -0700 (MST) > From: D&J > Subject: Re: BMW: Labor day ride > > Mark Gensman wrote: > > >A bunch of us are leaving next Friday night for Everett Washington and > >then on over the North Cascades. We'll be in Everett around 11. Anybody > >in the area that can tell us where to gather for a frosty? Thanks. > > In Everett? You gotta be kiddin'. Mark: I've got to agree with Dick. As you come through Seattle, after downtown, try Teddy's. This is where the Vintage MC Enthusiasts hold their meetings, it is MC friendly, micros available and Guiness. It is also close to the freeway. I-5 to 65th ST exit, forward at ramp bottom across Ravenna and three blocks to 65th, right and about four blocks to the Tavern, on your left after the first light. Can't miss it. Also, I-5 is under construction at Everett. Watch the lane changes. =================================================================== Mark Etheridge--Seattle, (of course I want coffee dammit) WA R850R Olympic - WSBMWR - Village Idiot - MOA - General Mayhem =================================================================== From WireWheelsNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: WireWheelsNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Subject: BMW: Re: Lexington KY campground report <> Anton, Great place, eh? My place is just down the road and all the prezz's who've ridden out get the backroads tour that has the KY Horsepark in the itenerary. Didya walk around to the Man 'O' War statue? Just inside the museum gate, but free! Ironworks Pike (where the park is) traveling away from I-75 is THE prettiest road in the area. Rock fenced all the way with a canopy of treetops for shade. Camping at my place is free, but much more primitive:) _______________________________________________ Tim(Bondo)Bond 606-873-6686 3455 Oregon Rd Wire Wheels MC Svc Versailles, KY 40383 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/WireWheels WireWheelsNoSpam@NoSpamcompuserve.com WireWheelsNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com _______________________________________________ From Mark Parker Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 05:39:49 -0700 From: Mark Parker Subject: Re: BMW: Scenic Byways - California California state highway #36 between Red Bluff and Rio Dell California. 148 miles of scenic, twisty, road in Northern California passing through the Trinity National Forest. Covers terrain ranging from Redwood forests to over 4,000 feet in elevation. Great views of the Trinity Alps to the north. Almost no traffic. On a summer Sunday recently I went over 90 miles without encountering any traffic moving in the same direction. For a motorcyclist it doesn't get any better. P.S. State 299 from Redding to Arcata is an alternative, but carries more traffic and isn't as rural. Mark Parker Sacramento, CA '95 R1100GS ------------------------------ >P.S. State 299 from Redding to Arcata is an alternative, but carries >more traffic and isn't as rural. Rt. 299 has a lot of CHP on it. Traffic fines are a great source of income for the county. The Weavervill Five were victimized there a year or two ago. Regards, Roozbeh From D&J Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:16:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: BMW: R65 Tank, and a cool ride on Oahu Reid sez: >Hey, > I'm new to this, so Ill keep it short. I live in Hawaii on the island >of Oahu, moved here a few months ago courtesy of the Navy. Anyway, I >have a nice 1986 R65 that I have recently taken up riding on a daily >basis to and from work, not to mention all over the rest of the island. >I can't really describe how cool it is to ride along the ocean, sometimes >mere feet away from it zipping around the coast on Kamahameha Hwy. On >one side the steep cliffs of dead volcanoes and on the other the endless >Pacific Ocean. What a sight, and the coast carves a pretty curvy road, >which obviously makes for some fun riding. > Anyway, if anyone ever gets a chance to get to Hawaii, spend a day or >two or three riding around the island, your eyes (and the rest of your >senses) will be hardpressed to take in the beauty of this island. >Anyway, I see a few BMWs every now and then, but they seem to be few and >far between over here. Ah well. (snip) >Reid Milligan >rmilliganNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net >86 BMW R65 >future 98 K1200RS or R1100RS (havent decided yet) Reid, First of all. No matter what bike you buy never ever sell that '86 R65. And, if you do, don't come whining and moaning around here expecting any sympathy. If you have to, ship it back to the Mainland at your own expense but I'm warning you, don't sell it. You can ship it yourself to Seattle, Oakland or Long Beach by crating it or having someone crate it for you and then taking it down to Sand Island and delivering it to Matson to be shipped. They just pick it up with a fork lift and put it in a container. You have to be at the other end to receive it. That's how I shipped my 1986 R65 from Hawaii to the Mainland in 1989. Secondly, check out Tantalus. Go up the Ewa side and down the Diamond Head side. (More fun in that direction) If you are on a skateboard go down the Ewa side. The first time you do this ride you will wonder why I recommended it. Keep doing it every two weeks of so. It will grow on you. Thirdly, ride over Kolekole Pass between Fort Schafter and Lualualei. With your military ID you can do this anytime. And, like Tantalus, it will grow on you if you do it more than once or twice. Fourthly, ride around Kaena Point. It's a little tricky but not too bad and you will enjoy it. Fifthly, talk to the people at Dillingham about barging your bike to any of the outer islands. It's pretty simple to do and it's a blast. Haleakala is great and the saddle road on Hawaii is great. The Hana Road speaks for itself. You've got a great chance to store up some memorable rides in your memory bank. Don't blow it. Oh, by the way, the people who have told you what to do about your gas tank have been right on. Do it. Don't trust South Seas Cycle Exchange. They don't even know that they're not in the South Seas. Oh yeah, one other thing. Always stop in Haleiwa for shave ice, with beans and ice cream. You're welcome. Dick Taylor - Classy Guy hetchinsNoSpam@NoSpammontana.com SoD #27 Live and lean. From Paul or Voni Glaves Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 05:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: BMW: The Dragon vs. 191 >I would love to hear comments from people who have done this road, >anyone done both the Dragon and Hwy 191? Actually, I have. Just before the national in Durango. In fact, that was the rally that Paul put a sign on my bike telling all not to tell me about any more great roads! 191 is longer, and incredibly fun. No traffic to speak of, and lots of changes all along the way. BUT for sheer intensity the Dragon wins hands down. Ride it early in the morning (after a night spent at Crossroads of Time) while it's still deserted and you will know what I mean. Voni SMILING From douholmesNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Douglas W Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:42:23 +0900 Subject: Re: BMW: The Dragon in Arizona I was on US 191 from Clifton to Springerville recently during the 3 Flags Classic. I would have to say that this is a great road. Very intense. I found my forearms were getting pumped up, and very tired. But when your on a road like this, its tempting to keep charging. Met a couple of BMW riders from California, who led the way for the last 50 miles or so. The pace they were riding was fun to match. Faster than I was going alone. Have never been on the Deals Gap Dragon, but I think this road deserves the title also. Although there is this neat little road in California, northwest of Lake Isabella that was..... .., Oh never mind. Doug Holmes Minneapolis, Mn From "Adam Wolkoff" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:02:29 +0000 Subject: Re: BMW: The Dragon vs. 191 > >Ah but youse guys need to ride the Stewarts Point/Skaggs Creek Road, which True!! This road was, for me, part of the 97 Ironbutt. Seems strange to include 40+ miles of twisty, sometime ONE LANE road on such an event, but it really was an antidote for all the slab running we were doing. I road it from stewarts point east. The first part was like riding one of those futuristic motorcycles in Star Wars--straight up, straight down, twisties, hairpins, the works. I have ridden "the dragon" and found this at least as challenging and much more pleasurable due to the lack of traffic. Kneebone described the road in the rally packs as one of the best 47 mile stretches of motorcycle road in the country, and I believe he is correct. *************************************************** Adam Wolkoff Saint Paul, Minnesota From bmwrider1NoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Greg Hunt) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:02:17 EDT Subject: BMW: The Dragon (again) OK OK OK I can't stand it any longer. About "the" gap First some calculations 318 bends in 11 miles that is 28.90909 bends per mile so ok 29 per mile which is 182 feet from center to center of each bend or about 60 yards. Now I don't care if you are from the west coast, east coast, or anywhere that is a lot of twistie. Combind with the way it is cambered it is a great road. And yes boys n girls it will chew you up and spit you out and ruien your weekend (or life). Over most of the road you have trees on one side and a nice drop on the other. Pay attention to the note about big bird. I don't think that there is a hospital very close Knoxville may be about the closest. As far as scenery along the gap don't ask me. Every time I ride it it seems that I don't have time to look around. There is a very nice overlook on the western side. The last time I was there, Durning the GA Mt ralley a couple years ago on my K75C (hosed shock and all), Deb & I rode through 2 up. After passing a few folks on the way we stopped at the overlook followed a few seconds later by a YZFXR?? 750 and a RC30. The guy on the RC30 took his helmet off and asked how I ride like that 2 up?? I told him that it was because it was a BMW :). Watch for sand on the road. There hasn't been much rain lately so there will probably be trash in the bends. Also take your camera. TN has no inspection or Insurance laws so you will probably see some neet local bikes. I'v seen about everything even a GSXR with no fairing, lights & plate zip tied on, quick-fill tank, safety wired & slicks there. Also the gap is not the only good road there if you want to see more I'm sure that the Cone Butts will be able to help you. Unfortunately I won't be able to make it :(. Greg Hunt The orginal BMWRIDERNoSpam@NoSpamanywhere Moore, SC MOA # 52651 SQUID factor 11.72 DOD # 1698 From David Brick Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BMW: The Dragon vs. 191 On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Lee Freedman wrote: Ah but youse guys need to ride the Stewarts Point/Skaggs Creek Road, which runs (predicatably enough) from Stewarts Point on the coast (just south of Gualala and Sea Ranch) to 101 near Lake Sonoma. The first third running towards the coast is the best of the best. The road runs (mostly) along ridges, clear views, no intersections or cross-streets, cambered correctly, great pavement, no traffic, etc. etc. It was apparently laid out by the Corps of Engineers as part of the Lake Sonoma project; they have different priorities than does Cal Trans. Closest thing to a public racetrack I've seen. I went up there one weekend just to ride the road, over and over again. __________________________________________________________________________ David Brick Santa Cruz CA dbrickNoSpam@NoSpamarmory.com 96 BMW R11RSL RA MOA BOOF etc From Mark Ketchum Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:31:52 -0700 Subject: Re: BMW: Seeking Las Vegas, LA info Scuffy Roadrash wrote: > >>From Las Vegas i will be flying on to Los Angeles, picking up an R90/6 >that a friend of mine just bought, and riding it back to the Bay Area >for him. I've ridden Hiway 1 many times, ridden 5 and don't want to >repeat that trip ever, also ridden 395, so i'm looking to try out a >new route. Checking the map, i see what looks like a potentially good >trip taking 33 to 25. Has anyone done this trip? Anyone care to >recommend it or damn it? Any other routes that you favor? > 33 is boring like 5, but fast since it's unpatrolled. (You can, though, get spotted by the speed-trap planes patrolling 5!). 25 is great. A route I always enjoy is 101N to Paso Robles W on Nacimiento Lake Rd. W on Interlake Rd. W on Jolon Road to King City NE on Bitterwater Rd (G13) to 25 N on 25 to Holister & Gilroy 101N to the Bay Area (This is all from memory, consult a map!) Another route to 25 is 101 to Santa Margarita 58,229,41 to Parkfield NW on local rd to 198 & 25 or else at Parkfield N on Parkfield Grade Rd (dirt pass, switchbacks) Enjoy! _____________________________________ Mark A. Ketchum http://www.hooked.net/~mketchum Berkeley & San Francisco, California From JonathanJefferies Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:21:52 -0700 Subject: BMW: Calif 33 & 25 routes Sara Hammer wrote: >From Las Vegas i will be flying on to Los Angeles, picking up an R90/6 >that a friend of mine just bought, and riding it back to the Bay Area >for him. I've ridden Hiway 1 many times, ridden 5 and don't want to >repeat that trip ever, also ridden 395, so i'm looking to try out a >new route. Checking the map, i see what looks like a potentially good >trip taking 33 to 25. Has anyone done this trip? Anyone care to >recommend it or damn it? Any other routes that you favor? It's a fairly decent combination of roads for a fast trip up to the Bay area. And of coursse that depends on where you pickup 33. As you can see on your map 33 parallels I-5 up to about Coalinga where you have to make the choice of heading over west to Hwy 25 or further to 101 or going east to I-5. Don't expect NO twisties on 33. I think there might be 2 or 3 10 degree bends along its length but like I always say if you take it fast enough even semi straight roads can be fun. I was able to average about 90 on the way back from the Range of Light/Lake Isabella with very little trouble. And that's on a wimped out K75 pushing the world's largest windscreen. A good place to test running at DOD nominal. Just keep an eye out for the occasional farm truck pulling out of the bordering fields. But you can see them a good ways off. If you get stuck in Coalinga for lunch you've got limited choices, there's Mac's, another chain restaraunt right across the street and if you turn right where 33 hits the main drag there's a mexican restaraunt on the right down about 1/2 mile. BUT I personally think the scenery along 33 is much more interesting than I-5. Why I can't really say, they're only separated by 10 or so miles. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:48:10 -0700 From: JonathanJefferies Subject: BMW: Seeking Las Vegas, LA info Mark Ketchum wrote regarding Sara's question about Calif 33 & 25: >Another route to 25 is >101 to Santa Margarita >58,229,41 to Parkfield >NW on local rd to 198 & 25 >or else at Parkfield >N on Parkfield Grade Rd (dirt pass, switchbacks) >Enjoy! BTW, the Parkfield Grade is fairly passable this year. I took it last weekend, two up on my K75 with street tires and humongous fairing. 14 miles of which 10 are unpaved. Takes the better part of an hour to work your way over it with the rear end sliding around at every little rock slide. But still something different. And some really neato views of the jumbled hills caused by the San Andreas fault. But if you haven't taken the Indian Valley, Peachtree route (which may be the local road(s) Mark referred to) - -Just north of Paso Robles off of 101- then you may find that a more fun route than the Parkfield Grade to get from Parkfield to 25. If you go up toward Parkfield you ride on past the town as though headed to 101. You run into Indian Valley (I think that's it) just before you can see 101 across the small valley at the town of San Miguel. Road comes into Vineyard Canyon road (the one from Parkfield) at a very sharp angle. Easy to miss. If gas is an issue, there are a couple of stations in San Miguel by Hwy 101. Jonathan BTW, you do know that Hwy 25 is directly on top of the San Andreas fault. Kind of neat to think that the hills to the west of the road started out down by LA and are zipping (in geologic terms) up to the north. And that the valley you're riding in is slowly munching on the stuff pouring off the hills every little quake. :) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:41:55 -0400 From: "Ian Schmeisser" Subject: BMW: Re: No Nazis in the Savannah River Nuclear Plant If you would like to take a "heat-free" 100mph+ run someday, just tour through the Savannah River Nuclear Plant area, located east of Augusta, GA. It's a national security area that you are allowed to drive through. You get a pass at the gate that's time-stamped... and then show the pass to the guard at the other end when you leave. They look at the time to make sure you didn't stop and steal any national secrets. You should have seen the guard's face when I rode my K bike through and showed up at the gate about ten minutes before I was supposed to :^ ) There are no cars (and, oddly, no birds, bugs, or other critters) to worry about. Ian Schmeisser Atlanta, GA USA Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:31:29 -0400 From: "Ron Beckley" Subject: BMW: Re: Re: No Nazis in the Savannah River Nuclear Plant > From: Ian Schmeisser > If you would like to take a "heat-free" 100mph+ run someday, just tour > through the Savannah River Nuclear Plant area, located east of >Augusta, GA. I worked in Augusta, Ga. for 22 years. I would be careful of speeding on the Savannah River Plant. There is law enforcement there; they use radar and they do give out tickets. Ron rbeckleyNoSpam@NoSpamshore.net Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:50:58 -0400 From: James Allmond Subject: Re: BMW: All the Nazis aren't in Fontana!!!!! Ralph Robertson Wrote: snip was theatened with jail if I didn't move from in front of a place called Mount Weather EAC. It wasn't marked 'private,' or 'no trespassing' or anything. When I asked why? I was told the area was 'secured.' I said from snip Ralph, Used to live near there and know folks who worked there Years ago. They are folks who can't tell you who they work for or what they do. In the 1960's they hired a bunch of RCA electronic wizards. When a plane crashed there in the 1970's it was leaked that it was some sort of nuclear safe haven for honchos in DC. Those were not cops, that was military. DO NOT SCREW WITH THESE GUYS, THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR AND WILL BUST YOU IN A NEW YORK MINUTE. The place is so secure that the parts of the area that the Appalachain Trail runs through is fenced to keep folks from wandering of the trail. You guessed it, you came upon on of the most secretive secured places in Northern Virginia. It's security makes the CIA building's look wimpy. Once again, DO NOT SCREW WITH THOSE FOLKS. James Allmond Macon, Ga 96 R1100RT and when 2 wheels are not enough, 88 FLHS/Watsonian 51 Servicar and yes sometimes you need 4 wheels 69 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 (4 wheels does not need to be boring) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:32:50 -0600 (MDT) From: "B. SCHOOLING" Subject: Re: BMW: Touring info. Nils, Want to suggest you include New Mexico. White Sands is a must. The Trinity Site is at the north end of the Missile Range. There is a Space Museum in Alamogordo. One of the truly great dealers is in Deming. Weather is usually pretty good down south. Winters in the north can be really bitter as in any Mts. Lots of open space and great colors. The beauty of southern NM is fleeting -- so much of it is dependent on the colors and texture. There are some great roads but since I don't get out much others will have to tell you about them. Part of our road situation is-- it is sometimes a long way between places. Hope you have a great and safe time. If your trip brings you this way and there is anything I can do to make it better, plese let me know. Bruce Schooling R80RT "Old Blue, the third princess" "The shadow a man casts is determined by his relationship to the source of his light." Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:59:31 -0700 From: Deryle and Wanda Mehrten Subject: Re: BMW: Help: Route to San Diego Rally At 01:29 PM 9/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >Wanda and Deryle, > >I rode Arivaca road last Oct on my way back to Dallas from Del Mar and >Pauma. It was all paved. snip > >Be sure to stop at Kitt Peak Observatory, nice road to the top and >good views. Off route 86. > We do an Italian ride to Kitt's Peak every November. You are right, it is a very good ride. Unfortunately every year someone gets in over their head. >As for route 78 out of El Centro I rode it when I lived in San Diego >in the mid 80's. Gets pretty desolate between El Centro and Borrego >Springs but that's what I like. From Borrego it starts climbing and >eventually gets to Julian which is a nice place to stop. > snip I think I will do 78. Thanks. > >All the above definitely beat the Interstate. > Right on! Thanks you for your time, Deryle Mehrten Arizona, USA '88 K100RS ABS Special Take Hwy 64 West from Morganton, through Rutherfordton to Lake Lure. = This is a good place for breakfast if you get started early, or lunch if = you don't. Look for Hickory Nut Gorge and Falls (the falls are twice as = high as Niagra!). The gorge is beautiful.=20 Continue on Hwy 64 West through Hendersonville (a bit crowded). When Hwy = 64 turns left, continue stright on Hwy 276 into the Pisgah National = Forest. Stop at Looking Glass Falls, one of the most photographed falls = in the US. Stop at "The Cradle of Forestry" if you are interested in the = history of the US Forest service, otherwise continue up to the BRP and = take it South. Take Hwy 215 South from the BRP (world-class twisties) and turn right on = Hwy 64 (West). Look for Hwy 281 South and turn left (South) to = Whitewater Falls, the highest falls east of the Mississippi.=20 Continue on Hwy 281 South until it intersects with Highway 107 North. = Trun Right and go back to Hwy 64 West. Turn left and go to Highlands. = There are a number of good restaurants here, too. Continue on Hwy 64 West through more excellent twisties. Stop at Dry = Falls (you'll see how it got its name...) and stop and look at Cullasaja = Falls. Hwy 64 continues and intersect with Hwy 441/Hwy 23 North. At this point = you can return to the Rally via this road and I-40 East. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BCCFC9.539FF7E0-- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:55:01 -0400 From: Art Borin Subject: Re: BMW: Mohonk Mountain House-scenic ride Dear Ron: You have discovered my secret riding stash! I can see the Mountain House tower from the deck of my home, and ride in the Shawangunks (pronounced shongum) and Catskills whenever I can. If you are going to explore, check your map and try the following roads: 55 thru Neversink 213 thru Olivebridge, to the Ashokan, to 28, to 30 (Downsville) 44/55 from Gardiner to Kerhonkson 23A from Saugerties to Hunter If coming from your home, check out 97 from Port Jervis to Hancock, NY, then take 30 east, to 28. Spectacular. 30, in particular, is a great road. I did this ride last weekend. Best, Art Borin Campbell Hall, NY Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:48:40 +0000 From: "drbob27" Subject: Re: BMW: Yellowstone Yellowstone got some bad reviews on these pages a while ago. Just got back from a trip there. Spent four days in the Park. Had a great time. The fire. Yeah, they had a _big_ one. Didn't bother the geysers, the lakes, the rivers, the waterfalls, the Canyon, most of the wildlife, and about two thirds of the Park. It's kind of neat seeing the regrowth start, you are there. The roads. Nothing I'd want to ride fast, but why are you in Yellowstone anyway? The South and Northeast part of the Park is pretty decent, the Northwest is pretty rough. There are some dirt construction areas, didn't seem bad on the RT two up. Bottom line: Don't ride through Yellowstone on an unrelated trip just to ride through, you will be disappointed. But it's still The National Park, and a serious trip to Yellowstone out of peak tourist season is still wonderful. An absolutely great side effect of a trip to Yellowstone is the chance to ride Wyoming 296. That desrves a post of its' own, see below. bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:48:41 +0000 From: "drbob27" Subject: Re: BMW: The best motorcycle road in the lower 48? Best road means all sorts of things to all sorts of people. To me it's great scenery, lots of twisties, some opportunities for speed, good road surface, good road visibility, and little traffic. To me it's Wyoming 296. Goes very approximately from the Northeast exit of Yellowstone back southeast. I rode it N to S, but I think it would be slightly better S to N. I'll describe it the way I rode it. I'll give turn speeds in terms of the black on yellow signs. Add your own multiplication factor. Starting out, the road immediately goes into scenic valley from heaven, no buildings. The "Speed Limit 65 mph" sign is pretty scenic too. Endless "50 mph" (see above paragraph :-) sweepers, definately K1200RS territory. After about 10 miles of that the road dives down a hill to cross a narrow but very deep (1000'plus) canyon. Highest highway bridge in Wyoming. Keep in the valley for a while and then start to go up the hillsides to Dead Indian pass. "20mph" to "40mph" curves in endless variety. Scenery progressively more spectactular till you reach the top. Stop and look back at what you came up. Looks exactly like the pictures they use to advertise tours through the Alps. Down the other side of the pass to Wyoming badlands country. "20mph" to "40mph" curves become more "50mph" sweepers, with some fairly long straights in between. Stop at the end of the road, 46 miles total. Ask the wife "Can we go back and do it again?" We didn't have much time in Cody and she likes history. Need a trip back so she can do Cody and I can do 296. The K75 is not ideal (296 would really like more power), but I'll suffer. I imagine this will draw a comment or three. I'm especially interested in those who've done 296 on a motorcycle. I will say this unequivocably. It's worth a long trip just to ride this road. bob Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:30:06 -0400 From: Bill Pollack Subject: (Non-BMW: Trip) Skyline Drive & Taconic Parkway Weekend Nature Lovers: Saturday, after taking careful note of the prevailing weather, SWMBO and I rode down from around Albany, NY, to the "top" of the Skyline Drive (Shenandoah Nat'l Park) in western VA (right around 500 miles in right around 10 hours). We managed (with difficulty) to get a room at a mom-and-pop motel in Front Royal, inasmuch as all the regular places far and wide were booked up. Seems there was a "Foliage Festival" going on (but it was about 90% green down there -- for real foliage, see below). (The next day, I talked to some dudes who had ridden up from Atlanta. They were given free use of the floor of the banquet room at a Quality Inn for sleeping, but they had to out of there by 4am.) For those of you who may not know about the Skyline Drive: highly recommended. It's sorta of the northern end of the Blue Ridge mountains, and it's nothing but twisties and scenic overlooks, all done at c. 3,000 feet. When the traffic gets too heavy, you can enjoy the scenery instead of the twisties, or stop at an overlook (they're every couple of miles, at most) and wait for a break in the action before heading out again. The whole drive is 105 miles (and costs $10 for a week's pass). The official speed limit is 35 the whole way, with the sharper turns marked as 20 or 25; add about 20mph to all of these numbers, traffic permitting, and you should be okay. We went farther south after that on Saturday, on the Blue Ridge Parkway (which starts where the Skyline Drive leaves off, and which is free). The speed limit there is 45, and it goes for hundreds of miles. Ah, you must of all read about or done this stuff by now... Anyway, in the afternoon we went back north the way we had come, and Monday we went back to NY. If you haven't heard of the Taconic Parkway and you find yourself in this region of the country about now, you should definitely take it. The Taconic is a vintage highway, built when they were just experimenting with the concept of on-ramps and suchlike (although most of the cross streets are just that). You can catch the Taconic from I-84, just a bit west of Connecticut; south of that, it becomes more like a regular old modern highway. From there, it's about 70 miles to the northern end, a couple dozen miles south of Albany. Those 70 miles are nothing but long, lazy sweepers, with trees all around. It's not the kind of road you want to be squidly on -- it's just curvy enough so that you won't be bored, is all; it's the kind of road where you just want to relax and really enjoy real foliage. Bill Pollack '97 R850R Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:02:19 -0600 From: corkreed Subject: Re: BMW: BOOF # 85 question re Alice's Restaurant That's beautiful, Joe!!! Gotta go there come next summer!!! Thanks a million, Corky Joe Denton wrote: > While Mark was correct he was also short. Leaving cages and reality > behind we travel through a small village style town to reach the beginning > of two lanes of blacktop wandering through the redwoods, at times a valley > to our > east and the Pacific Ocean to the west. Waves breaking far below > the hawk riding on the updrafts while the clouds become a light fog > that a bright red Ducat i breaks open as it comes towards you, leaned over > to the point that if it were standing still the young rider wouldn't be able > to keep it from landing on it's carbon fibered wind tunnel designed > body panels. You can touch an airheads' valve covers down and roll the > throttle on, feeling the power pick you up out of the turn while > smelling the flowers blooming and feeling the air temperture change every > quarter > of a mile. After not enough time you stop with a hundred other bikes in a > small > parking lot at a crossroads and let the cylinders cool while you have a coffee > and cigar, walking and admiring the vintage and the new, the one of a kinds > and the five in a rows, the gum rubbered canyon carvers and the hundred > miles a month > chrome covered big twins. And that's just getting there. > > Joe > > At 09:02 PM 12/16/97 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Yo, you young Turks, > > > >Keepimg in mind I was several years in the Boonies on the Good Ship > >Inerarity farting around in the islands of the west Indies, I am behind > >the curve :-((( > > > >I repeatedly hear references to "Alice's Restaurant". Apparently this > >must refer to some movie, song etc., but I gather, also to a place. > > > >Enlighten me, por favor, > > > >TIA, > >Corky Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:38:17 EST From: markcrowderNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Mark A Crowder) Subject: Re: BMW: BOOF # 85 question re Alice's Restaurant On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:02:46 -0600 corkreed writes: > >Yo, you young Turks, > >Keepimg in mind I was several years in the Boonies on the Good Ship >Inerarity farting around in the islands of the west Indies, I am >behind >the curve :-((( > >I repeatedly hear references to "Alice's Restaurant". Apparently this >must refer to some movie, song etc., but I gather, also to a place. > >Enlighten me, por favor, Yo Cork! Arlo's "Alice's Restaurant" (not the name of the Rest-au-rant) is in Stockbridge, MA. The Alice's Restaurant usually refered to here is a biker hangout southwest of SF, Ca in the midst of some mighty fine riding ... Mark Crowder Garland, TX markcrowderNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com We're the ones your mother warned you about Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:40:41 -0700 From: Steve Aikens Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Riding across Texas in the dirt SSnod wrote: > > Does anyone have info/experience on riding the Mexico/Texas border from Big > Bend to El Passo? > Info, Yes. It's a VERY BAD IDEA. The US Border Patrol *really* takes their job serious - and you should too. This is a very dangerous thing to try to do. - -- I don't suffer from insanity.....I enjoy every minute of it! Steve Aikens, Clovis, New Mexico steve.aikensNoSpam@NoSpam3lefties.com Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender Diaz_JonNoSpam@NoSpammacmail1.cig.mot.com ) Date: 3 Apr 1998 14:06:34 U From: "Diaz Jon" Subject: BMW: Gary-NYC gives away the farm To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamlists.ibmwr.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Sender: ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: "Diaz Jon" X-No-Archive: yes X-Bmw-List: Majordomo 1.94.3 X-Web-Page: http://www.ibmwr.org/ X-Copyright: (c) IBMWR and the original author(s). Gary-NYC wrote: >If you *really* want some twisties, branch off the Blue Ridge at Asheville >and take 19 west to Canton. From there, take 215 south and get ready for >40 miles of nearly constant lefts, rights, dips, dives and hairpins! Gee Gary, why not just tell everyone about 209 from US23 down to Asheville too while you're at it? Weiner. :) Jon Diaz