From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed May 28 10:47:05 1997 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 07:22:20 -0700 From: Mark Gensman Organization: Business Resource Group, Inc. To: Mark Alft Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Soft luggage? References: <199705280415.AAA29008NoSpam@NoSpammh102.infi.net> Reply-To: Mark Gensman Mark Alft wrote: > > I am looking for decent soft luggage for a /7. Any ideas, comments, snide > remarks? > Best, > mark I had a set of Hondaline soft bags on my /7 and except for minor leakage in the worst rainstorm I've ever ridden in, they worked great. I sold them with the bike and two weeks ago I bought a set of Fieldshear bags that I used on my K1100 instead of the hard bags on my last trip. They made it over 140 mph several times and did not stick out past my legs so they were not in the wind. I made custom bungees that kept them on firmly throughout 1400 miles of high speed twistys and highways. -- Mark Gensman MgensmanNoSpam@NoSpamix.netcom.com 95 K1100LT "You're never too old to rock and roll" K-Whiner #51 "The Green Hornet" From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed May 28 10:23:06 1997 From: Harris_Gary/ny_technologyNoSpam@NoSpamexplorer.siny.com X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 28 May 97 09:47:21 -0400 Subject: RE: BMW: Soft luggage? To: mhalftNoSpam@NoSpambouldernews.infi.net, BMWMCNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: Harris_Gary/ny_technologyNoSpam@NoSpamexplorer.siny.com >I am looking for decent soft luggage for a /7. Any ideas, comments, snide >remarks? >Best, >mark Check out this web site: www.rka-luggage.com Gary - NYC begin 777 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(NoSpam@NoSpam```0N``0`G````,3DY-S`U,CNoSpam@NoSpamP-#$U+D%!03(Y,#`X*&$I;6NoSpam@NoSpamQ,#(N +:6YF:2YN970`RNoSpam@NoSpamDG ` end From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 2 13:55:27 1997 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 21:59:55 -0700 From: Bill Juhl To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Hard luggage repair? Reply-To: Bill Juhl On Sun, 01 Jun 1997 09:41:11 +0000, Tim wrote: > > ... one of the cases has a split that goes from the join between lid > and body (under the rubber seal) to nearly the back of the box on the > main body part. I have drilled the end of the crack (to prevent further > splitting) and am ready to make repair. > > I suppose the first question is what glue (if any) "sticks" to that box > plastic, once I know that, I'll be away. > (snip) > So will this work? Tim; The problem of repair of plastic depends entirely on what the plastic is. The bad news: In the case of the 1985 K-bike version hard bags that I have, the plastic experts I took it to identified it as Polypropylene and told me that there is no glue on earth that will bond to it. It is ungluable apparently. According to my source however, there are two possibles for a repair: You can use various glues as fillers or sealers, if the plastic (really polymerized resin to be correct) is sandwiched between something like metal plates that are riveted or bolted through the plastic. The sealer should keep the water out but they will not bond to the polypropylene and make a secure strong repair. The better case I found however is that you can repair polypropylene with "plastic welding". They use a plastic welding rod melted into the polypropylene using extremely hot compressed air. I was quoted about $30-40 to repair a 6 inch crack ... time willing I'll get it done this week and will know for certain. Good luck with it! Bill Juhl K100RT Sacramento CA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 7 10:13:32 1997 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:45:32 -0700 From: rwilesNoSpam@NoSpammail1.com (Roger Wiles) Subject: re: BMW: Do GIVI Cases Break?? To: RKMorrowNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: rwilesNoSpam@NoSpammail1.com (Roger Wiles) Have 3 GIVI cases for several years now, both side and top cases (50 Liyer Maxia) and THEY DON'T BREAK! Don't leak, either. Best m/c luggage made, bar none! Prezz Roger RWilesNoSpam@NoSpamMail1.com From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 12 03:19:17 1997 To: thomasjNoSpam@NoSpamgemstone.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:36:53 -0400 Subject: BMW: latch X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5,7-8,10 From: myleslewisNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Myles B Lewis) Reply-To: myleslewisNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Myles B Lewis) I ordered a latch from Speed's Cycle for $25. He even had one with the correct key # so I could a single key for that bag. I just pop rivited it in place and off I went. Expensive? yes. Worth it? yes. hope this helps. Myles ************************************************************ Myles B. Lewis---Bradenton, Florida, USA---Riding OL' Yeller--- A 1978 BMW R100/7-black & yellow, converted to a home made RT or RC or R?? IBMWR---BMWMOA #71292---BMWRA #20505---AMA #443756---Florida SunBeemers You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get it to roll over & bark, you really have something! From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 14 16:04:11 1997 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:42:49 -0700 From: Bill Juhl To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Hard case repair with plastic welding Reply-To: Bill Juhl There was a brief thread awhile back about repairing plastic hard cases. I now have the answer. The BMW cases are made of Polypropylene (not ABS as rumored by some) and there is no glue on the planet that will adhere or bond properly to make a glued repair. The solution is "plastic welding" ... this uses a plastic welding rod that is melted into the crack to fuse it back just like metal rod is used on steel. The heat source is very hot compressed air. The rod is white, but it blended with the black Polypropylene so the weld ended up black as well. The crack was about 6 inches, and I was charged $40 for the repair. It is almost invisible, and appears every bit as strong as original. Add this to the $10 I paid for the broken case, and for $50 I have a new hard bag replacement :) (life needs these small moments of triumph!) FWIW, if anyone needs help with this and doesn't have anyone local to do it, John at Mid State Machining said he'd do mail order repairs. (916) 348-6320. Bill Juhl K100RT Sacramento CA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 14 20:52:48 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: out1.ibm.net: slip166-72-210-113.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.210.113] didn't use HELO protocol Date: Thu, 17 Jan 1980 17:14:17 -0500 From: "Mark S. Hamlin" To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Hard case repair with GLUE Reply-To: "Mark S. Hamlin" > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:42:49 -0700 > From: Bill Juhl > Subject: BMW: Hard case repair with plastic welding > > There was a brief thread awhile back about repairing plastic hard cases. > I now have the answer. The BMW cases are made of Polypropylene (not ABS > as rumored by some) and there is no glue on the planet that will adhere > or bond properly to make a glued repair. Actually I happen to have plenty of experience with this after being rear ended 2 years ago. One case is cracked from top half way around the bottom and said crack crosses structural corners. Tried epoxy, didn't last, but got me home from Seattle. Used a nearly 100% polyurethane glue/sealer commonly used by flooring and tile contractors. It is elastomeric, waterproof and when trying to break the bond of 2 pieces of glued oak, the wood breaks before the glue. I get tubes for $6 at my distributor. Bostik is the brand name. Repair has lasted 2 years now, used plastic from a milk container (inside the bag)to help bind the sections together and used a Magic Marker to 'paint' the glue. Can't see it from the road, of course when you open the bag, there's Berkely Farms Milk looking you in the eyes. That bag happened to bounce off on my dirt road the other day, no damage. This of course is not as clean nor possibly as durable as welding, but by the time you find the platic-weld guy, you could reglue the bag a dozen times. Mark S. Hamlin Watsonville, Ca. From gmylesNoSpam@NoSpamfdic.gov Thu Jun 19 06:40:15 1997 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 6:32:59 EDT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: , From: "Gregory S. Myles" Subject: BMW: Side Bag Repair - Pop Rivets On Wednesday, June 18th, Tom Hundt wrote: >Subject: BMW: Side bag repair (pop rivets worked for me) > >Somebody posted recently that pop rivets (or the tool for them?) >aren't available in the right size to repair side bags, and that >the best thing to do was to borrow the right-sized tool from a >dealer. Well, I remounted one of my latches last night using >1/8" medium rivets, and the regular Arrow tool. Worked great. >(N.b. I have the '86 stock "System case" bags.) > >Nothing like bike repair using Home Depot parts. :-) I've had to repair the hard cases on my KLT a couple times. I always use aluminum rivets rather than steel. It's a softer metal, so if (knock on wood) there's ever a bang-up, the rivets will give before any more expensive plastic parts break. If/when the holes eventually wear out to a point that the usual sized rivet no longer holds, you can always drill them out (as well as the holes in the corresponding latches) to accomodate the next size rivets. Greg Myles Annapolis, MD 95 K1100LT "Koenigstiger" 94 VF750C "Baka" 96 T-bird "Torquemada" [*** Note: I've since been reminded what the other rivets were for. Newer bags (Integral?) use the different, special size! -Th] From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 30 22:17:17 1997 From: BMWCYCLFANNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:26:19 -0400 (EDT) To: nick.horleyNoSpam@NoSpamvirgin.net, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Jesse aluminum panniers? Reply-To: BMWCYCLFANNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com In a message dated 97-06-30 20:56:31 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: BMW: Jesse aluminum panniers? Date: 97-06-30 20:56:31 EDT From: nick.horleyNoSpam@NoSpamvirgin.net (Nick Horley) To: BMWCYCLFANNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com CC: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com David - Aerostich supply them, exclusively I think. Once you've got to know them I would really appreciate a detailed report. I've been lusting after them for a while, and living in the UK I can't get a look at them without buying some and shipping them over. >> Nick - Panniers came with the bike, so I don't have info on dealing with Aerostich. I don't know who installed them, but they did a wonderful job! Attention to detail was quite high. I don't know if this is because of the kit or the installer. Quality of bags is superb. Heavy gauge aluminum, heavy fasteners, stout latches. Storage capacity is phenomenal. Wife is now able to pack practically everthing she wants. We now have room left over. I guess we'll have to learn to take more stuff. Finish is beautiful. Random orbit brushings, with heavy clear coat lacquer. My original inquiry was to find out about touch-ups on finish. Another Prez gave me the direct line to Al Jesse. And the bags are sturdy. Protect the rider and passenger in low speed parking maneuvers. Don't ask me how I know. As far as lusting after the bags, I can understand your feelings. They were one of the strong selling points for the bike. I understand they go for about $1K US. Seems high, but then again I guess BMW bags and mounts tip the scales at over $600. If I were you and had the money, I would buy them. I will give you another report in a short while, especially if you remind me by e-mail in a few weeks. I should have more experience by then. David Petersen Edmonds, WA USA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 17 12:20:23 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:54:55 -0500 From: "Chuck (Jack) Hawley" Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign To: Dave Wright Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: WTB: Hard Bags & mounts for my '79 BMW R100 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: "Chuck (Jack) Hawley" Dave Wright wrote: > I am looking to buy Hard Bags & mounts in good condition for my '79 > BMW R100. > > I am located in the Milwaukee WI area. > > Dave Wright Bob's BMW (1-800-BMW BOBS) has the repopped Krauser bags for around $360 which I think are superior to the BMW hard bags for that model bike. The BMW bags crack around the rivit heads when subjected to 0 degree temps. The BMW mounts are OK with the Krausers, but you have to fuss a little with the Reynolds mounts (bigger tubing). -- Charles (Jack) Hawley Jr. Amateur Radio: Chuck, KE9UW BMW Motorcycles: AKA "Jack", BMWMOA #224 K100RS Viki, BMWMOA #18120 K100RS President, IBMWR c-hawleyNoSpam@NoSpamuiuc.edu Sr. Research Engineer Emeritus University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 18 12:04:45 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:51:04 -0500 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamfacteur.std.com From: BMWNoSpam@NoSpamcomet.net (Phil Marx) Subject: re: BMW: '77 r100s bags & mounts? Cc: mitch obele Reply-To: BMWNoSpam@NoSpamcomet.net (Phil Marx) Mitch Obele asks: >i have a 77 r100s and i am wanting to put the correct for the year >bags and mounts on the bike. > >this gentleman is offering me new mounts black or chrome for >around $150 and a used set of bags (black with silver (aluminium) >trim) for $200 ... does this sound right? > >one last thing, what colors were offered for the bike that year? >i was told it was only offered in black and silver -- is this true? Correct bags would be the BMW/Krausers, but I'd rather have the BMW touring cases than be correct which might be what you are being offered. Round emblem with samsonite style latches and a stupid clip/catch to the rack is usually BMW/Krauser, rectangular is BMWtouring which will mount to the new rack without modification. If you really have a an R100S then in '77 they only came in Red Metallic. If yours is just an R100/7 then the choices were Black Metallic, Blue Metallic or Burnt Orange metallic. -Phil Marx BMWMOA #2024 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 20 05:24:54 1997 From: "Sitarz, Bruce BH" To: Tom Barnhart , "'ibmwc'" Subject: BMW: RE: GiVi cases for K100LT Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:45:14 +1000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sitarz, Bruce BH" Tom; I recently fitted a GIVI E460 top case to my 91 K100LT. I used the GIVI mounting kit to do the job. The only problem I had was with the mounting kit. I found that the angle on the base of the legs (for want of a better description) were not the same as the mounting bracket that came with the BMW top box. To get the GIVI bracket to fit I had to use an grinder to grind the correct angles. Do this carefully as once you take the metal off you can't put it back. Other than that I am very happy with my GIVI case. My main reason for purchasing it was so that I could store 2 helmets in it. The BMW case do not take helmets unless they are small in size. Regards Bruce Sitarz > Does anyone have any experience with the GiVi cases? I am considering > either the E50 (50l) or the E460 (45l) top case and the E360 side > cases for > my '88 K100LT. The top case, at 22l, is virtually useless (other than > the > plate I carry for the center stand) and the side cases are slightly > damaged > and less than rainproof. > > I'm wondering how they look, and more importantly, how well they work. > Mounting any problem? > > I'd stay with the BMW cases except for price and (top case) utility. > > TIA. > > Tom Barnhart BOOF #109 KB8OYX '88 K100LT > Traverse City, MI > > > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 23 11:00:48 1997 From: RKMorrowNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:40:07 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Daar bags. Reply-To: RKMorrowNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com I had a set on a 92 PD and replaced them after a while with Jesse bags. Here are my opinions of the Darr compared to the Jesse: Advantages: -Cost -Shaped better -Waterproof* Disadvantages: -Stock mounts weaker than Jesse -Asymmetrical -Wide -Difficult to lock bag to mount * My Jesse bags leaked around all the bolts. Although the Jesse bags are larger than the Darr, both hold about the same because of the convoluted construction of the Jesse compared with the simple quad shape of the Darr. Both brands are significantly more spacious and stronger than the stock BMW bags. -Bob Morrow From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 23 11:15:05 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:47:51 -0400 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Chuck Russo Subject: BMW: U-packs Cc: Solipsist9NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Reply-To: Chuck Russo The two makers of the u-packs are: Jo's Custom Creations Route 2 Box 114 Earlysvcille, VA 22936 (804) 974-7069 Vermont Canvas Rounder by Competition Accessories 345 West Leffel Lane Springfield, OH 45506 1-800-543-3535 Again, I couldn't be happier with the performance my u-pack from Jo's. Chuck Russo Casselberry, FL 96 K1100RS It's a sick world, but I'm a happy guy! From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 23 23:51:30 1997 From: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:39:32 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Re: Vermont Canvas Bags Reply-To: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com My wife bought me one of these U shaped bags for my birthday last year. I really only need that much room when camping two up. Will easily harbor two sleepings, two mats, a tent, a couple pair of my big shoes stuff well into the corners and still has lots of space for small stuff. It's nicely made. Good zips and metel fasteners. Other than that, it's just a big funny shaped bag. It's hard to justify the price unless you check out the prices on 'good' zippers and this thing has a BIG one. Never been cought in a monsoon with it but hold up well to modest rain. With a reynold rack under the back it rides just a bit high (not objectionable) with the sides atop the saddlebags. Only hard part I could imagine, is if you put something wide and soft across the back if you did NOT have a reynolds, it may get a little floppy. VIC WARUSZEWSKI, SoD # 21 VI#1 MOA 85 K100RS BMW Touring Club of Detroit MOA#1, Motor City Beemers Team K-Bagsa #3 http://pages.prodigy.com/bmwtcd We'll have some high times, and live them low. Get some fast food and eat it slow. I'm hungry when I get up, and sleepy when I eat. Only time I feel right, I got the road beneith my feet. - The Fabulous Thunderbirds From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 05:05:24 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:51:59 -0500 From: Robert Whittle To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Vermont Canvas Bags Reply-To: Robert Whittle With respect to the Vermont Canvas Rounder Bag WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > >Never been cought in a monsoon with it but hold up well to modest rain. Well, I got caught in a monsoon coming back from Fredericksburg, and things did get a little damp, but nothing got soaked. I thought the bag held up exceptionally well. Bob Whittle Nashville, TN 1994 BMW R100R From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Aug 6 21:38:50 1997 From: "Russell.Miller-Jr" To: , Subject: BMW: Givi Top Case on R1100RTL Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:18:07 -0400 Reply-To: "Russell.Miller-Jr" X-No-Archive: yes Someone inquired about other BMW riders experience with GIVI top case and mount on R1100. I've installed GIVI's top case mount (on the R1100RTL this rear rack replaces the OEM rack. The GIVI rack is made of the same black plastic (DELRIN-tm?) and serves dual function as a luggage rack or top case mount. A GIVI Maxia (50 liter) top box is installed. This case was transferred from my previous ST1100. The Givi Maxia case installs and removes in seconds; also serves as a passenger back rest with an optional pad; and has held up in over 10,000miles (5600 on ST1100 and 5500 on R1100RTL. ) under daily commutes with a good 25-35 pound load. BTW, it holds two full face helmets with room to spare! IMO, the GIVI cases are more functional (capacity, ease of use, and water tightness) than the BMW's side cases. (BMW top box seems to look nicer mainly due the roundel) Russ Miller From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Aug 7 23:54:40 1997 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:16:01 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Larry Fears Subject: Re:BMW: Roadgear Products Cc: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Reply-To: Larry Fears X-No-Archive: yes Harry writes... >Does anyone have experience with Roadgear bags? I'm considering their >jumbo sport bag to put on the rack of my RT. Alternative suggestions are >also appreciated. > >Harry >Bethesda, MD >'97 R1100RT Harry, I've not had experience with the bag you speak of but I did purchase their tank bag and I am very pleased with the construction and their customer service. The raincover I ordered was put on Back order so the bag was subjected to a severe gully washer on the way to Maine last month and came through with flying colors. There is definite value for your money. I only paid $109 for a large tankbag vs the outrageous $259 for a multivario. Yes, I know the multivario fits better but IMHO, not $150 better. BTW, I am the rides chair for BMWBMW and I notice you live in our area. Are you a member? I am in the process of putting together a master list of all members with email with the goal of sending notices of impromtu runs I will be doing. The idea is to give one a few days notice and if they want to show up great, if not so be it. Let me know if you want me to add you to the list. Larry Fears lgfcoNoSpam@NoSpamerols.com '93 K1100LTA "Blue Max" '85 K100RT "Gumby" R.I.P. '92 Mazda Miata "Half Cage" Gaithersburg, MD AMA, MOA, BMWBMW, SOD #5, Reindeer Rider BMWBMW Rides Chairman *** "This whole working thing really gets in the way of my riding."- Me*** From MCyclWritrNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:06:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MCyclWritrNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Subject: BMW: F650ST Bags J.B & Michelle, I would recommend against any BMW bags on the F650. At any price. I have several friends with F650s. One has BMW City Bags. Which are laughably small and goofy looking. Another has full-size BMW Integral Bags. Really goofy looking. Two others have Givis. They look great on the F650. And the really cool part is that you can use a Givi bag as a tail trunk for around town. All you have to add is the mounting hardware on the tail. Plus, I hear these bags are truly waterproof. Here's the setup: Different size bags for a balanced look. 28 ltr. bag for exhaust side (this is the bag most appropriate for a tail trunk) 34 ltr. bag for the other side Both bags and mounting hardware for both sides and the tail cost $350.00. Chris Lawson BOOF #15 R100LT (BMW Integral Bags and Tail Trunk) R100GS/PD (BMW GS Hard Cases) From "John A. Brown" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:34:28 -0400 From: "John A. Brown" Subject: Re: BMW: '85 k top case options? Eric - I have a '86 K100RT that I replaced the topcase on because it fell off one day on the way to work and was never recovered (I didn't notice it until I got to work and by then it was too late). I never did like it and paying $380 for a new one is against my religon. This may not solve your solution, but a PERFECT fix I found was a GIVI E50 50 liter topcase. It's practically ALL usable inside, waterproof, goof-proof key system, and the mount plate is horizontal to the bike (unlike the BMW rack mount which follows the tail's contour). It's also a LOT cheaper: $160 for the case, $55 for the mount (uses the same holes as the BMW rack), and $35 for the backrest option. Check out Givi's web page for more information: http://www.givi.it/sub_index/eng.html I bought the package through Competition Accessories (if you go through them - let me know - I'll give you their EXACT part numbers - took us a couple tries before they got it right!) Good luck! John A. Brown '86 BMW K100RT Kalamazoo Michigan >I don't like BMW'w top cases for K's. I want a removable rack with a >backrest. My plan is to use the "back rest" as a backpack mount-one >with a semi-rigid frame. Does anyone know of a source or have any >design ideas? TIA >Eric VanDenHoek '85 BMW K100RS >President - Black Hills BMW Riders Club #203 >IBMWR President / BMWMOA # 74038 / MSF Instructor >cpthoekNoSpam@NoSpamgeocities.com >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5029/ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:30:44 From: Dennis & Karen Withner Subject: Re: BMW: Looking for soft saddlebags At 10:35 PM 8/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > >My lovely wife Barbara rides a 1978 R80/7. We are looking to purchase >new soft luggage for her, and were wondering if any of the presidents >might have suggestions on which bags are the best, and where to get them. > She has used a set of Bagmen for a couple of trips we took and they >worked pretty well. >The set she used was not a true saddle bag set. They were top bags that >we Jerry rigged to work. We borrowed them and would like to purchase a >set for ourselves. Please advise. Pete & lovely Barbara Recently picked up a set of used Eclipse bags, and used them on our last trip, to the BC Beemers rally. The trip before we had borrowed a set of Chase Harper bags. Of those two the Eclipse wins because they are bigger and hold their shape better when loading. The better part of the Chase Harpers is that they zip open on the top rather than the side, which allows rooting around in the contents more easily while they are on the bike. Both of these bag sets would probably leak a bunch if out in a serious rain. The soft bags that REALLY impressed me were the "dry bag saddlebags" that riders warehouse sells. A guy came by my store on his bike, sporting a set of these, and he had nothing but raves about them. They look to be made very well. Dry bag technology is Airhead mantra, simple by choice. I thought the bags could be a bit larger, but the owner said he could put a full shopping bag in each one. That is, with the dry bag tube fully extended upward, not rolled closed. The beautiful dry bag ones are $187 from Riderwearhouse. 800-222-1994 for the catalogue etc. The used ones I got were $25 from a fellow rider. Regards, Dennis From Steven Huber Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:30:39 -0600 Subject: Re: BMW: Multivario tankbag bases Prez Jon asks: >Is it possible to purchase MV tankbag bases from BMW anymore? Mine is >giving up the ghost..... My info is from a year back, but the answer was nope. E-mailed Randy at Hammersley's, he supplied a part # but said BMW (don't recall if it was the AG or NA side) wasn't supplying them..... ************************************************************************ Steven Huber '88 R100RX '90 K75S IBMWR, BMWRA, BMW MOA, AMA, G.O.B #17, IBMC, UMCI Madison, WI shuberNoSpam@NoSpamitis.com From Larry Fears Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 21:43:51 Subject: RE: BMW: Multivario tankbag bases Jon writes.... >We did find the K tankbag base in the computer last night, and my dealer >offered it to me for _$90_. A little steep, I thought, so I will >probably call Bob Weis this winter and have some surgery performed, >since the elastic on the base is really the only thing that is looking >ratty. > >Not to fear.....I did spend some $$ at the dealer anyway, as I needed >stuff for another 10K service on the K75. It finally crossed the 140K >mark..... > >Jon Diaz > Jon, I've dealt with Bob and have/had one of his bases. Excellent workmanship and about half the cost of the BMW one. I say go for it. BTW, I think you should point out to folks that I helped push that moped, I mean K75 a little bit further towards the 140k mark. I appreciate the loan of the bike while I was out for the start of the Iron Butt. After riding my brother's new to him K75S 750 miles out to him and running around on yours I have to admit that they aren't too bad. It's just that I love my K11LT and can't see what I would do with that little thing. Besides I never did find the radio on them things. :-) Thanks again for the loan of the bike and I owe you a dinner. Just speak loudly and clearly into the clown's head when ordering and oh yeah the kid's menu is on the bottom left side. :-) Larry Fears lgfcoNoSpam@NoSpamerols.com '93 K1100LTA "Blue Max" '85 K100RT "Gumby" R.I.P. '92 Mazda Miata "Half Cage" Gaithersburg, MD AMA, MOA, BMWBMW, SOD #5, Reindeer Rider BMWBMW Rides Chairman *** "This whole working thing really gets in the way of my riding."- Me*** From Tom Nash Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:10:58 -0700 Subject: BMW: K-Bags & Cheap Snaps The cheap snaps on the inside straps of my K saddlebags quickly wore out = to the point where they were useless. Here is my permanent fix: I bought two 3/16" diameter by 1/2" long eyebolts with machine nuts at = the local hardware store. I put them in the vise, and with a pair of = pliers, opened the closed eye to a 270-degree hook. I drilled out the female portion of the snaps from the bags, and = installed the eyebolts in the existing holes, with double nuts: one on = the outside of the bag, under the trim where the old hex nut from the = snap was, and the other nut inside the bag as a stop. (i.e., two nuts = per eyebolt.) I drilled out the male end of the snaps from the retaining strap, = leaving the molded end of the plastic end of the strap with the hole = from the snap post. Now, when the bags are installed on the bike, I slip the hole in the end = of the retaining strap over the eyebolt, and it keeps the bag lids from = hitting the ground. Admittedly, if the bag lids are forced too far open, I run the risk of = cracking the bags, but this is a lesser risk than the snaps letting = loose every time the bags are opened, dropping the lid to the ground. Tom Nash '94 K1100RS San Francisco I'm the one your mother warned you about. From Tom Austin Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:47:23 -0700 Subject: BMW: Luggage Rack for R850R ?????? Ted: Regarding your question: "Does anyone know who makes a luggage rack for his R850R?" An excellent quality rack is made by RCU Designs and marketed through Salt Lake BMW. At $349, it's not cheap, but it is very well made and it includes a nice backrest that works with "T-Bags". It mounts to the bike using the eight bolt holes that are used to hold the little sissy bar at the back of the seat in place (plus one other bolt hole). The useless stock sissy bar is replaced. Regards, Tom Austin 97 R1100RT From Fred van Waaijen Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:37:28 -0400 Subject: : Re: BMW: Bikeless in Mexico Spokes In Holland Police sometimes have R850RT's in use with spoke rims. The reason is that the job for pursuit requires sidewalk crossing in small cities. The soft light alloy cast wheels are not designed for steep obstacles. Spoke wheels can be ordered but require some pressure on local suppliers. The same is with the City-Bags. = The are having the standard base construction with the large volume. = The City-Bag cover bulges out less and stays within the maximum width of the mirrors. I have made the flatter City Bag cover interchangeable with the Touring cover = by replacing the pop rivets by 4 mm Allen(inbus) bolts. Dutch Uncle Fred_van_Waaijen_NLNoSpam@NoSpamCompuServe.Com Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:35:50 -0400 (EDT) From: LegalRNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Subject: BMW: Re: Luggage Attachment Harness I'm in the process of making a Luggage Attachment Harness for my R1100RT so that I can better secure my tent roll, sleeping bag, and Thermarest pad on my bike. Mine will fit under my passenger seat [I've reversed the helmet hooks so that they open to the front, but still clear the underside of the passanger seat] with a 1" web strap. Two quick release buckles will attach [one on each side] to bring the 1" webbing over the top of the passanger seat. Attached to that are two "D" rings facing rearward so that I can secure the front of my luggage to them. I've noticed that "bikeBelt" makes a commercial one that attaches to the bike on each side near the passenger footpeg. Other than how it attaches to the bike mine will work approxiamtely the same as the 'real' one. Does anyone have any experience with "bikeBelt"? Pros or cons? I thought about "Bungee Buddies" but was not keen on drilling holes in my Touring Cases. If my way works, I'd rather not drill the holes--if it doesn't, I've got some really good and sharp double edge brad-point drills. Just my idiosyncratic approach to life. Good riding, Larry Miller Wallingford, VT Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:24:04 -0400 (EDT) From: EXLAXATCNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Subject: BMW: R1100 "City Cases" A while back there was a blurb about the availability of the low profile covers seen on the R1100RT "Police" bike. I went one better and bought a set of "City Cases". I first saw these cases on a customer's bike at San Jose BMW. When I asked about them the service manager told me that they had them in stock. The price ($338 each) seemed a touch steep so I wrote down the part nembers and called Hammersley. Hammersley comfirmed the list price at $338 each but quoted me a much lower price AND offered to order a set for inspection with no obligation to me. Two day later Randy at Hammersley called me to say the cases had arrived and were exactly what I had seen. He also told me that lock cylinders and reflectors WERE NOT included included. I express mailed a key to Hammersley and my cases arrived today ready to install. For those not familar, the R1100 City Cases are more than an R1100 hard case with a low profile cover. They also have a divider fastened to the inside of the case to keep items from falling out when the cover is opened, no straps, and the cover only opens about 45 degrees vs the 90 degrees of the standard cases. I have provided the part numbers for these cases as well as the "list" prices. 46-54-2-317-241 left city case $338.00 46-54-2-316-906 right city case $338.00 51-25-2-313-284 lock set $17.60 (2 required) 46-54-9-056-969 reflectors $8.38 (2 required) Steve Heywood AMA#417841 MOA#71886 RA#21291 IOC#668 GOB#11 Pinole, CA R1100RTL Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:41:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Geoff Adams Subject: Re: BMW: R O/H tankbag advice On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Mark A Crowder wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:43:06 -0500 "Michael Lipke" > writes: > > > >Friend has '96 R1100RT, and is using a Jerry rigged mag tank bag with > >suction cups and seeks info on best new bag to get for this bike. Is > >Multivario the only way to go? Which model is the best? Any good > >used bags for this bike out there for sale? > > Michael, > The slickest looking setup I've seen for the RT is an RKA > tank bag. I don't have one myself, but it will probably be my next > purchase. I just received my RKA tank bag last week and am glad I bit the bullit and ordered it. It's pricey, but looks like it will give years of service. Their three point mounting system does work better than any other I've seen. Thanks to who ever reccomended them to me! Geoff Adams, Arlington, TX tbcNoSpam@NoSpamdfw.net Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:21:49 -0400 From: Brian Curry Subject: Re: BMW: Rekey of hardbag locks. At 10:59 AM 10/3/97 -0700, Butch Hays wrote: > >At 12:46 10/3/97, Bjorn Ramsvik wrote: >>Just picked up a used set of BMW hardbags for my R1100R. Is there anyone >>that know how to rekey them so I have the same key for them as the ignition >>lock. >> >>Bjorn Ramsvik >>R1100R > >There's a good write_up on the IBMWR homepage. >And I have a write_up with pictures on mine at: >http://www.znet.com/~hays/rekey.html > >I have a couple of extra #1 tumblers if you need them ... An additional bit of info on rekeying. Just like Multivario bags which come in five different variations, the locks come in different variaties too, just like the bags. They all look alike on the outside but the tumblers can be slightly different on the inside. One constant seems to be that the tumblers have 3 basic heights. Some tumblers are numbered, some aren't. Some have slightly different shapes. | Brian Curry, 1990 Blue K75RTs both coasts, Chester Springs, PA, USA | | SoD #23 | Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:06:58 From: Dennis & Karen Withner Subject: Re: BMW: R O/H tankbag advice At 04:41 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Looking at my RKA book, there are several choices, >16 liter Supersport, three point, and magnetic...$100/$115 >23 liter expandable, three point and magnetic...$130/145 >26 liter expandable, three point ... $ 160 > >do you know which one is the best? Terry , When I went to National last summer A tank bag was one of my must gets from the vendors there. I had RKA in mind, due to reading recommendations on this list, but wanted to see what else was offered. The RKA was FAR ABOVE any other offerings in design and functionality. Price was reasonable for what I got, which was the 26-three point. The thing is a piece of engineering beauty, and in the unexpanded mode is not all that tall, but gives U the option to haul a whole bunch of other stuff if U need. There is room up there for about a 12-pack, and w/ the 3-point hitch is stays rock solid. The map holder is the most secure and built I saw as well. My riding partner on the trip was on a R75/5 w/ a windscreen. He had a magnetic bag. During the trip I retrieved his map for him once after it blew off, and he ended up w/ the mag bag bungied down due to cross winds and carrying a water bag for hydration system in the thing. Empty, or stuffed w/ light stuff the bag would probably stay in place, but with any weight in it, the bag would slide around in the wind. The three point system is positive, and quite easy to mount/dismount as needed. I'd say get the big one, definitely non mag. I guarantee U'll love it. If not, I'll buy U a beer ;'> Tanked up in Blaine, Dennis Dennis M. Withner Karen L. Withner IBMWR,Airheads,MOA,RA IBMWR,Airheads.5, Rally companion Washington Divers Inc./Total Travel 903 North State Street, Bellingham WA 98225 Ph 360-676-8029 Fx 360-647-5028 e- Carpe Beemum - Sieze the Beemer Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:02:09 -0400 From: "Terence R. Evans, M.D." Subject: BMW: Gone With The Wind or Missing Topbox Backrest History lesson 101K: - - '84-89 BMW K-bikes had as an option the 22L top boxes. The '87-89 LT's had these topboxes as standard equipement. - - '93 (4/92)-Current m/y LTs featured the 35L top boxes - the ones that are detachable and have speakers on them. - - '90 & '91 LTs featured as stock the most excellent *50L* TRUNKS. Solidly mounted. Holds 2 full face helmets or a case of beer, or a large soft cooler w ice and beer and munchies and then some... Said trunk has been a question of "Where'd you get that!?" at many-a-rallys Last Thursday I _lost_ the backrest from my '91 LT's Trunk :-( That trunk retailed for $960 back in the summer of '92 (don't ask how I know). It has been discontinued and Unobtainium since '95. The old parts fiche doesn't even show it - the new computer CD-ROM "fiche" denies it's existance. A month ago (I park my bike with the trunk open for air circulation) I closed my trunk ready to pull out and noticed the backrest laying on the seat. I called my wrench to ask what's the best adhesive to re-secure it. I thought a liberal dose of Rubber/Contact cement. My wrench said, "that'll work, but I wouldn't trust it. Get some from Home Depot". Since I had a jar of contact cement, I ignored the wrench's heedings. I glopped the stuff on, clamps x 4 for 24 hours and I was off on the ~2,000 mile weekend (Fontana) with TLE resting comfortably on that backrest. Last Thursday, I went to The Competition. Yeah, the Guzzi/Ducati/Triumph/MuZ/Vellocette place. My El Tee was parked right in front - it saw me oogling over other EuroTrash, I mean, Exotica. Mah ole' El Tee prolly got pissed at the grins I was having on that '90 906 Paso, or was it the conversation I was having with the CBR-Dos Eckys just traded in for an Duc St2. That Blackbird had barbacks, leather Corbin touring, Givi's x 3, Two Brothers and then some. Sweet. My El Tee prolly saw me giving the salesman my card asking him to call me as soon as he gets a demo St2 in. It's 6:30pm and dusk and time to go home. I take US 1 and scare the beejezus outta a Miata lady . From US-1 I get on I-595 in Ft Lauderdale to I-95 south to Miami. I-595 is where one can, once per week, be reminded that their bike (if capable) can _still_ get to 125+mph without fear of U-know-what or who. I arrive home some 14 miles later, dismount and trunk's backrest is gone! F * C K ! TLE and Cherokee pull in. The Cherokee is commandeered. TLE hostage. We slowly re-trace our route from the EuroExotica shop back to home - it's dark now and no grey backrest seen. Next day, we forgot about it. Never searched again. Yeah, some of you may poo-poo me for such a small loss. Try to understand, at 108,000 miles, one wants to minimize purchases for such aesthetic and form-over-function items ie, Backrests. The trunk in question without the backrest is stupid looking ie, there's a peak or wedge-like built-up in the painted fiberglass/ABS that this backrest fits upon. Sans backrest there's an approx 3 inch pointy-thingy sticking straight up forward of the trunk - hard to explain but butt ugly! Looked in Corbin's most recent catalouge. They STILL advertize the '90-91 passenger/trunk backrest with zipperd pouch! But for $ 1 7 9? Ouch! Besides, the Corbin would clash with my Sargent seat's cover. Groan. Yeah, call around to different places that might have the trunk - they might - but they're not willing to 'break-up' the tandem (backrest from trunk) I ask all you folks out there to look in your dealers, see if they have a '90-91 K-LT trunk - see if they have that backrest - for sale. Perhaps one of you out there has sacrificed their '90-91 trunk for a fuel cell? BTW, more recent, '93 to current backrests won't work - BTDT. Tried that. No way. No how. TIA, __________T_E_R_R_Y_____M_i_a_m_i____ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:21:57 +0800 From: "Victor M. Kimura" Subject: BMW: Tankbags Pros and Cons Steve Schechter writes: >I'm looking for a durable, easy-to-use tankbag for my R1100RS. (Good >looks wouldn't hurt either.) The two I've been considering are the BMW >Multivario and the Bagster. I believe the two are close in price, the >Bagster coming with a tank cover for its mounting. I've seen the Mv but >not the Bagster. > >I would appreciate any feedback that anyone might have to offer. Steve, Have you considered RKA tankbags? Their website location is: http://www.RKA-luggage.com/ and their toll-free number is: 1-800-347-1-RKA Victor Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:50:16 -0800 From: "Darryl Richman (Exchange)" Subject: BMW: RE: Tankbags Pros and Cons > Steve Schechter writes: > >I'm looking for a durable, easy-to-use tankbag for my R1100RS. (Good > >looks wouldn't hurt either.) The two I've been considering are the BMW > >Multivario and the Bagster. I believe the two are close in price, the > >Bagster coming with a tank cover for its mounting. I've seen the Mv > but > >not the Bagster. I'v had a Bagster on my R11RS for the last 3 years or so. I paid about $200 for it from the local dealer when I bought it, which made it significantly cheaper than the multivario. I'm really pleased with it. It has a built in rain cover, which works, but could be better if it had a clear insert so you could see the map pocket. The pocket is quite large, also, so you can see a lot of map while riding. It's capacious, much moreso than the multivario, and the space is better shaped, too; the multivario won't hold regular paper or folders flat, which is something I want for commuting purposes. One thing that would be nice to have is some sort of separation of the main space, to organize things a bit more. There is a nice little outside zippered pocket on top that holds little things; I keep sunglasses, earplugs, and my tire guage in there. --Darryl Richman Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: MGA1201NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Subject: BMW: Tank Bags I have a BMW tank bag and a Chase Harper Eurosport. The BMW bag fits nice on the tank, has a cool BMW logo, is a pain to put on and take off and hold a fair amount of stuff. The Chase Harper doesn't look as cool on the tank, holds a ton of stuff very conveniently, has some great features, goes on and comes off easily and cost about half as much. When I want to impress people with how stylish I am I use the BMW bag. When I ride I use the Chase Harper. Jim Goski '82 R100RS Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:28:40 -0600 From: garymarshNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Gary McCray) Subject: BMW: Tankbags Pros and Cons - Reply Steve Schechter wrote: Presidents: I'm looking for a durable, easy-to-use tankbag for my R1100RS. (Good looks wouldn't hurt either.) The two I've been considering are the BMW Multivario and the Bagster. (snip) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve, I had a Multivario II on my K100RS and loved it. Last spring, I bought a new R1100RT and "automatically" ordered a Multivario III. Here are the things I don't like about the Multivario III. All may not apply to the RS model. There is one narrow strip of cheap foam along each side (right & left) of the base where it contacts the tank. This allows the front and read edges of the bag to rest on the tank. My tank was scratched beyond repair in 250 miles! Thanks to my dealer (Gina's), BMWNA replaced the tank panel at no cost to me. The Multivario II spent 60,000 miles atop the tank on my K100RS without a sign of a scratch. I now use a piece of sheepskin (fuzzy side up) as a pad between the tankbag base and the top of the tank. The top section of the Mutivario III has no bottom in it. Therefore, when you unzip the zipper which connects the top and bottom section, presumably to remove a stored item from the bottom section, everything in the top section falls down through the opening and out onto the ground. Brilliant design! I solved this problem by having a piece of leather sewn across the bottom of the top section, thus putting a "floor" in it. That only added $28.00 to the cost of an outrageously overpriced tank bag. The bag is easy to use. Just unclip two connections and flop the bag back unto the seat while refueling. With the above modification, access to items inside the bag is easy. Although it seems like a minor item and could probably be added to any bag, I really like the little elastic cord that hooks to each side of the bag. It hold the bag in position when it's not full enough to stand on its own, and it's great for holding gloves, etc. when you stop. I like the map pocket, too. It's large, removable, and viewable from either side. Although I like my bag now, if I had it to do over again, I'd look at other bags like the Bagster. There's another one that has 3 initials (RKA??). I can't remember the name, but there was a thread about their stuff last spring. Lots of guys spoke highly of it. My son got some of their soft luggage for his crotch rocket. It is really nicely made. Maybe someone else on the list can remember the name. Regards, GMc Gary McCray__Macarena Red Metallic '97 R1100RT__Springfield, Illinois USA Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 08:10:49 -0600 From: "Allen" Subject: BMW: Re: RE:SADDLEBAG KEYS As I understand it the dealers do not have blanks for these locks. When I bought new keys for my bags the parts man handed me a large drawer with multiple keys and said "see if your number is in there". as luck would have it they were. Try calling a couple of the dealers that have been around for a while. I would definately call branton out in CA (I don't have the number handy) since they sell replacement locks for these bags, they might have keys. Good Luck Allen A. Cloutier, DVM Horsedock 96 R11RSL (mine) 96 R11RS (hers) 78 R100S (spare) - -----Original Message----- From: StalmeNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 1997 7:23 AM Subject: BMW: RE:SADDLEBAG KEYS > >Upon reviewing my post (and with the help of others on this list) I want to >apologize to Bob's BMW for calling their salesman a "clown" on this list. It >was out of frustration. I did not display any attitude that I'm aware of >over the phone. I hope Bob's will still sell me parts as they have for >years. I am very frustrated over the inability of some parts people to cross >reference parts for the older airheads. The computer should allow them to >access more information but creates a situation where you must have the >original model as it came from the factory, with no modifications made, etc >to be able to reference parts #s. It takes a parts man with experience in >the older bikes, and willingness to expend his efforts on your part to deal >with the older bikes. They made these saddlebags for years and years. I see >them on almost every R bike at any rally. The latches are the flat style >with the little flap you pick up to insert the key. This should not be such >a problem. > >Steve Cook 75 R90/6 >in sunny Tampa, Fl >MOA, RA, Airhead #1633 and Poverty Rider >Boof # 107 >Friend of Bill W. > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:00:04 -0500 From: "David Harrison" Subject: BMW: Re: Luggage Keys Today I bought a key at Duncan's Beemers, an independent repair shop in Maynard MA (wonderful riding day today in MA). He commented that any competant dealer can look up the order number and get one with the proper code. He had in stock a bunch (as in on one large ring) of keys. His phone number is (508) 897-2697. Freeman Cycles (first BMW seller in US, I think) also claims keys are easy to come by. They are at (978) 922-6668. My key is also for a flat style latch, close code number. Dave Harrison 82 R65 (Rosie) (Of couse it is red) Probably a BOOF, but no number Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:36:53 -0800 From: Mark Gensman Subject: Re: BMW: Re pannier brackets The Tuck Family wrote: > Esteemed presidents, > > I was fortunate enough to go for a little ride on my K1100LTSE in the > country over the recent weekend. ------SNIPPPP-- > I remember reading on the list not that long ago about someone who ditched > the back rest on his LTSE and then modified the lid. If anyone has done > this, what did they do about the holes left in the lid, and how does one > make it look okay? > > --------SNIPPPP---- > > cya > > Mick Tuck > Oz Mick, the week I took my new K home the first thing I did was remove the box mounted speaker unit. I had noticed that the box moved around a lot and all that weight up high wasn't helping a bit. The lid to the box was painted Moira green and matched the bags. I saw a box at the dealers that was completly flat black and I liked it so I bought some Bondo body filler and filled the hole where the speaker connector used to be and where the speaker unit mounted. I also bought four steel 1/4" thumb screws that I drilled a hole in and filed out. I mounted them in the lid for tie downs and bungee holders. I then sanded the lid and painted it flat black to match the rest of the box. I bought a Corbin backrest pad and mounted it to the front of the box but it was too far back for SWMBO to lean against and the box still hit her in the back when it got bumpy. I eventually had to rig up a couple of foam pads to go between her and the box on long trips. I now have a Corbin seat with the passenger backrest so I had to take off the other backrest and the stock foam pad and fill those six holes with bondo. I now have a plain top box with four metal loops in it painted flat black. The flat black paint works way cool because anytime I carry stuff on top, there is a possibility of scratches. I simply lightly sand the scratches with 160 grit sandpaper and hit it with my trusty flat black spray paint. I also can get the box off and on with the passenger backrest installed on the Corbin. Now the box movement is no longer an issue. Sorry this is so long.... - -- Mark Gensman MgensmanNoSpam@NoSpamix.netcom.com 95 K1100LT "You're never too old to rock and roll" K-Whiner #51 "The Green Hornet" Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 18:19:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jerome Cook Subject: Re: BMW: R1100RT TANK BAG The BMW R1100RT tank bag is capable of putting deep scratches in your Bike Dont buy it unless you are prepared to put something under the front edge of the tank bag. there is NO FOAM RUBBER there and it will rub on the plastic. The great thing about the R11RT bag is the reversable map pocket I really liked that. I put mine away and bought a Bagster (same price $300 but a nice system. you ahve a choice of many bags. Fot the R11RT Bagster made the base and the "Alpha" bad color matched to the three original colors red blue green. Mine is green and it looks nice on the bike Marcee bags get good reviews and also RKM ? something like that. I put foam undeer the lip of my BMW tank bag. It lifts the front of the bag off of the paint. I think it is fixed but Ilike the bbagster better Ill sell my BMW bag for $150 shipping included. The Rain cover is missing. send me private email if anyone is interested cheers jerry cook On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, STEVEN SCOTT RUSIDOFF wrote: > > Are any of the aftermarket tank bags available as good a fit for the > r1100rt as the multivario BMW wants over 300.00 for? I don't mind > spending even up to 200.00 or so but I think 300+ is a little high! I > hope someone can tell me of another option that will fit as well and not > do any cosmetic damage to the bike and less damage to my wallet!!! Thank > you. > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: David Brick Subject: Re: BMW: Krauser bags On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 DAVID_NAVRATILNoSpam@NoSpamHP-USA-om24.om.hp.com wrote: > I have a friend looking for Krauser bags for his V65 Sabre. Does > anyone have a web page or phone number. The November 97 issue of OTL (arrived today) notes in "Short Takes" as follows: "Krauser of hard case fame has gone belly-up." Doesn't mean there isn't NOS on someone's shelf, 'though. __________________________________________________________________________ David Brick Santa Cruz CA dbrickNoSpam@NoSpamarmory.com 96 BMW R11RSL RA MOA BOOF etc Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 17:07:57 EST From: Tom Coradeschi Subject: Re: BMW: Broken K-bike saddlebag Jon Dinsmore: >The hinge underneath my left BMW Integral Saddlebag is splitting. >Does anybody know if it is possible to fix this (something other than >duct tape although I suppose that's a valid option) or does the whole >bag need to be replaced? > >Thanks >Jon Dinsmore >jdinsmorNoSpam@NoSpampictel.com > >After writing this I checked the K-bike tech articles found in the >FAQs (proud of me, Art?) and read the piece on repairing Integral >K-bike sidebags. According to Daniel Richardson it is possible to >purchase a replacement hinge only, although he doesn't give any >details. Has anybody out there installed a replacement hinge? >Anything I should be aware of? The hinge is simple to replace, Jon. Buy a new one from the dealer. Actually, buy two (per saddlebag). The old ones slide off and the new ones slide on. Voila! tom "bookawitz" coradeschi <+> tcoraNoSpam@NoSpamskylands.ibmwr.org Skylands (NJ) BMW Riders <+> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:01:21 -0600 (CST) From: Paul or Voni Glaves Subject: BMW: K Bag Hinges >These hinges wear out with alarming regularity, even here in sunny >California. If you live in Wisconsin you may have to change them once a >year! For something like $5.00 you can get new replacement hinges (each >bag needs two) at your dealer and install them in a snap (literally, they >snap right on) in a few seconds. > >- --Bill Champ Must be something in the air in California. My K75 bags (new in '86 - 230K miles) still have the original hinges. Haven't noticed any problem. Now I gotta go look at them to see how bad they really are. Paul Glaves ------------------------------ >These hinges wear out with alarming regularity, even here in sunny >California. Am I ever glad my bikes are in Northern California and Pennsylvania. I have NEVER had to replace them? Just how much stuff do you carry in yours, and how hard do you have to jump on them to get them to close. ;);) | Brian Curry, 1990 Blue K75RTs both coasts, Chester Springs, PA, USA | | SoD #23 | Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:56:12 -0500 From: Fred Burgess Subject: BMW: Hard Bags Wanted Hi John, I would buy the bags from a mail order dealer, perhaps Hammersley in = Charlottesville can help you. Dirt and Street Unlimited in Arizona is = very competitive, too. The bags have evolved somewhat since their intro on the '85 K100. The = K-bike bags are currently on their third incarnation since. These are = the largest capacity of all three versions. BMW continues to jack up = the price and in my opinion, like everything else BMW, value is marginal = compared to aftermarket. Used bags are usually just that, USED. Good luck! Fred ________________________________ Fred Burgess Investment Management Consultant Livada Securities, Inc. Portland, Maine USA CapitalistNoSpam@NoSpamibm.net Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:56:16 +1000 From: Graham Smith Subject: Re: BMW: K1 - Luggage Micheal wrote: > > Has anybody any suggestions or aftermarket equipment that can be > > used to replace the K1 rear assembly so that standard BMW > > equipment can be used ? William wrote: >Bud Provin, a mechanic at Bob's BMW here in the States, has Integral panniers >on his K1. He once told me how he did it, but I forgot the details. As I >recall, he hacked the rear subframe assembly quite a bit. He may even have >grafted a K100RS rear subassembly onto his K1. I like my BMW luggage system for the k1 except it's not waterproof without it's cover, it's not lockable and it's not hard. But I rarely use it. My standard kit is the tankbag with all my shit in it, front toolbox with all the usual stuff, waterproofs in one of the glove boxes, and a polarfleece under the ducktail or seat if it's winter for when it's required. The other glovebox I try to keep free to put stuff I obtain on the ride (drinks, food, papers, ??) The conversion I have seen involves removing the rear piece of fibreglass (Ducktail too?) the piece with the glove boxes, replacing it with the rear of an RS, adding the luggage rails and city panniers. New flat pieces of tin or fibreglass cut to the same shape as the old piece, but flat, joined to the bike each side from the footpeg to the luggage rack. This last item keeps it "looking" like a k1 from the side. Regards, Graham. =========== gsmithNoSpam@NoSpamdynamite.com.au ===================== / (?) \ Graham Smith (0) (0) \ \ / BELDIVERS SCUBA CLUB %\-/% ACT BMW MCC - '90 K1 (Blue & Yellow) %%% Pearl '88 Lotus Esprit Turbo pilot ======== http://www.dynamite.com.au/~gsmith/ =========== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:16:55 -0500 From: Brian Curry Subject: BMW: TECH Changing a Top Case Lock Cylinder and Rekeying info Changing a Top Case Lock This definitely applies to the BMW 22 Liter Top case. The info also applies in general a lot of the locks BMW currently uses. First how the lock operates and is retained: When the key is inserted the "tumblers" (actually flat metal tabs) are pulled in so that the lock barrel can be rotated. Using the key slot end closest to the edge as a reference, the 3 o'clock position is unlocked and the 6 o'clock position locked. (This places a tab on the end of the lock in a position where an internal post prevents the Top Case latch button from being pushed in.) In addition to the "tumblers" that lock the lock, there is an "extra" tumbler that keeps the lock barrel in the lock housing. To remove the lock, this tumbler has to be pushed into the lock barrel so the lock can be extracted from the housing. The tumbler is pushed into the barrel from outside the lock. Check the description of how to remove the locks from the K Integral cases or the R11 cases for evidence of this. This seems to apply to all locks that have the flat sheet metal face and a spring loaded flap over the key insertion slot. While all the locks look the same, apparently they were produced by several manufacturers to a specification. This means that while they are similar, they are not exactly the same. (e.g. Multivario bags were made in at least 5 production runs with different zippers in each one.) Tumblers/tabs from one lock may not fit in another. I know this from experience. ************************************************** Now removing the lock. Rotate the large nut inside the case counterclockwise looking at it, fiddle it off and fiddle the lock out. Looking at the hook end of the lock, on the right side just at the beginning of the threaded area, there is a small circular flat area with a hole in the center. Make sure the lock is in the "unlocked" position. Use a 1/16" diameter rod (allen wrenches will work fine.) and shove it in ~3/8-7/16 of an inch into the hole. This depresses the lock retaining tab (extra "tumbler"). Using the key, rotate the lock 180 degrees, 1/2 turn, counter clockwise. This positions the retaining tab in a slot where it can be removed. Pull the lock cylinder out. This does not require major amounts of force. ************************************************* Now you can swap the tumbler/tabs around to match your key. Butch Hays has an excellent page (http://sd.znet.com/~hays/rekey.html) describing how to do this with pictures. Here is some additional info. To lock the lock the tumblers/tabs are pushed out of the barrel by small springs. These springs will be very hard to find if you loose them in the carpet. :(:( Put some grease on the barrel to retain them, if there is not some there already. The tumblers/tabs are retained in the barrel by deforming the barrel over small protrusions on the side of the tabs. You will destroy the barrel deformation to swap the tumblers/tabs. To keep the tumblers/tabs and springs in the barrel as you put it together put some grease in the slots. It will keep everything in place until you have the barrel in the lock body. If you are having a locksmith do the work for you, this information will make his job much simpler. Locks are puzzles. This provides some information on the puzzle and gives him a starting point. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men | |of zeal ...well-meaning but without understanding." | | =97Justice Louis Brandeis | | | | Brian Curry, 1990 Blue K75RTs both coasts, Chester Springs, PA, USA | | SoD #23 10% #3 | | | | KGN- Improving Lives Around The World | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: MTCollNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:58:51 EDT Subject: IBMWR Saved Articles To: thundtNoSpam@NoSpamslack.net X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 64 Recently, I had a low-side accident that damaged one of my side cases. I appealed to the big list for advice on how to repair it. I put all the responses together into a text file, which I herewith, hereby, whatever, attach. Maybe it'll help some other poor rider who can't afford to go out and spring for a new side case. Michael Colloton R11RT Franklin, NC [Thank you, Michael! -Th] Date: 99-05-09 09:57:49 EDT From: bwestNoSpam@NoSpammt.net (Bill West) Mike, It so happens that I have had the misfortune of bruising the side packs on an RT. I tried to wedge into a space not meant for the width of RT packs. On the older airheads, it you made it past the cylinder heads, you were in the clear. The width of the packs exceeds the R11RT heads by a considerable distance and leads to a false sense of security when sneaking between cars, fences, gates and the like. What I did was to further abraid the surface with fine (320 grit) wet or dry sand paper used in a wet state in order to remove the tell-tale Lexus paint since it was not complmentary to my bike's color scheme. The other paint had actually imbedded itself deep into the teutonic plastic substrate of my pack. Once the evidence was removed (so that I could work without constantly looking over my shoulder) I tried to make a new smooth surface in that incredibly soft stuff they made these things out of. I used ever increasingly fine paper and then Scotch-Brite. It finnally started to look somewhat like the original, except the original is more matt finish and what I did tends to the glossy. I then applied a liberal coating of wax and evenually road grime (with mud). I wash every other area of the bike and I think it looks pretty good now. If you get any off-list mail with better repairs let me know. I'd like to wash the entire bike some day. Bill West R11RT Date: 99-05-09 11:11:36 EDT From: mehrtenNoSpam@NoSpamprimenet.com (Deryle and Wanda Mehrten) To: MTCollNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com The shop that redid my right bag repaired the major gouges and then painted over them. The bag was not damaged all the way through...just very deap gouges. The paint job covers the repairs and the bags look new. Find a good paint shop that understands motorcyclists. Deryle and Wanda Date: 99-05-09 13:53:47 EDT From: vungtau6532NoSpam@NoSpamotn.net (Jim Brosman) Depending on just how anal you are, how mechanically inclined you are, and how much disposable income you have, you can do several things. 1. Rush out and buy a new bag.This solves the anal problem and takes care of some disposable income simultaneously. 2. When Mrs. Conary's son returns from his drive about, contact him. He used a terrific potion that repaired his bag beautifully. He then painted the bags using bumper paint. You might consult a local body shop, or do some reading in the automotive body section in a parts store. They are repairable and can be restored to near new condition with some patience and effort. HTH Jim Brosman Date: 99-05-09 15:55:04 EDT From: MHill95149 To: MTColl Steve Huber asked: 1. How do I remove the pop rivets from the lock latches, and what size should I install? You will probably have to drill them out, Steve. Then take a latch to the hardware store for correct diameter and length sizing. 2. How do I remove "mondo" scratches? Start with coarse sandpaper to get the big ones out. Work down to smoother grades followed by steel wool. To reestablish the textured surface, press medium grade sandpaper against the smoothed area with a warm to hot iron. Provide a final finishing with #0000 steel wool. Rob Lentini Date: 99-05-09 16:28:50 EDT From: pink_gNoSpam@NoSpampopmail.firn.edu (Gregory D. Pink) The protectors that BMW sells for their hard cases absorb a heck of a lot of damage. (Let's not go into how I know) You could use them to cover up some of the damage on the cases and prevent future damage. IMHO, both the luggage protectors and the valve cover protectors are good investments. Date: 99-05-09 20:12:31 EDT From: MrHappy1NoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net (Cole A. Mills) CC: MTCollNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com, bmw-techNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Other alternatives include: (1) for the lower portion of the bags (under the break), now is the time to get the rubber guards that stick to the system cases with automotive adhesive. (2) cover it up with tank bag covers that sell for $80 (they are made out of a stretchy nylon). They were sold at the RA last year and are advertised in the BMW Mags. (3) dump the bike on the right side to get them to match