From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri May 30 14:00:10 1997 From: "David R. Norton" To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:19:22 -0700 Subject: Re: BMW: Suspenders ... Reply-To: "David R. Norton" > Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:38:14 +0000 > From: Tim > Subject: BMW: Suspenders ... > > Hi All, > > I did post this one before but as yet no replies? > > Has anyone found a way of holding up the upper gaiters like the ones > on my "R" RT front forks/fairing please? > > You fit them neatly into the fairing, move the bars and out they > pop! > > Now obviously I could glue them in but is that the "done thing?" Yes, use RTV. Let it cure for awhile and it will hold securely but will allow you to "peel" the gaiters off when/if you need to. "The ride is the objective, the destination is the excuse!" David R. Norton Phoenix, Arizona USA Beemer Burrito Bandit #1, BOOF #57, VI #1 1987 BMW K100RT, 1985 Harley-Davidson FLTC "Eat, Ride or Get Out of the Way" Beau Allan Pacheco From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 9 21:41:19 1997 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:19:33 -0400 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Don Eilenberger Subject: BMW: RE: Help, broke my access panel Cc: "Jeffrey Harth" Reply-To: Don Eilenberger Jeff, who isn't even a Village Idiot asks: >Damn, > >I hate it when I do dumbsh*t things (hope this doesn't reactivate the >profanity thread 8-0 ). When putting my K on the center stand I leveraged >me knee against the triangular panel below the seat - the one that convers >the top of the battery. Well, you guessed it: the bracket broke from the >back of the panel. The bracket is still attached to the frame by the pin. >And the panel is still attached by the other two pins. > >Can I epoxy the panel back to the bracket? I can see mega $ if I have to >go purchase another panel. Any help? > >Jeff Harth >85 K100RS - Red (Klaus) >Philadelphia, PA >85 K100RS - Blue (Hans) >Munich, Germany Jeff - they all do that (I love saying this!). The particular design of the '85 K lends itself to breaking the little bracket off, especially if like me, you forget to remove the sidecovers before removing the fuel tank.. (I finally put a sticker across the fuel-tank hold down bolt that sez "Sidecovers??"), but I digress.. Two words: HOT GLUE. It works. Get a decent hot-glue gun and some high-strength flexible glue.. clean up all the surfaces REAL well and go at it - putting a large amount on won't hurt a thing, since you can't see it when it's reinstalled. Mine have even resisted re-breaking when I boneheadly forget to take the covers off and try to lift the tank up - the flexible stuff is just flexy enough that it gives a bit reminding you of your (my) oversight. You'll find lots of uses for the hot-glue once you start using it.. fer'instance - it is the only thing I've found that will hold my factory K100 manual together. Nice manual, crappy binding, sections and pages kept falling out. Bookbinders glue didn't hack it.. hot glue did it just fine with a lot less mess and a lot quicker. Almost as good as Pledge[tm] (Lemon scent only please!) ======================================= Don Eilenberger Spring Lk Hts, NJ, USA deilenbergerNoSpam@NoSpammonmouth.com ======================================= From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 11 16:39:54 1997 From: Straubinger Bob To: "'A POST TO BMW LIST-DIGEST'" Subject: BMW: Re: Autos versus Cycle Stopping Power Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 12:32:00 MST Reply-To: Straubinger Bob Bob Dehany wrote: The basic factor is how much weight is on each square millimeter of rubber on the road. You measure the area of the tire contact and divide it by the weight of the vehicle. The car or tank has much less weight per square millimeter of contact area, so has less to stop, hence the better brakeing. Sorry Bob, no cigar. The car or tank has much more weight per square whatever. Because of the weight, however, they have a much higher co-efficient of friction which allows better stopping. I was astounded when a fellow pilot said that our fighter aircraft could stop in the same distance no matter the weight. I said he was "nuts", but upon consulting the landing data charts I learned that it was true. The additional weight allows a higher co-efficient of friction and will bring the aircraft or car/tank to a stop very quickly. But don't touch those brakes because all that energy you just dissipated is sitting there ready to burn you (I've seen them cherry red from a quick stop). I see so many riders driving too close to cars and I wish there was some way I could get it across to them that there is no way they can stop as fast as that car. The best approach is to keep a three second following distance. Bob Straubinger 1983 R100RT, The Pearl Ghost Mesa, AZ. p15647NoSpam@NoSpamemail.mot.com BOOF #110 MOLDY OLDIE #1 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 20 19:12:36 1997 From: bkeaheyNoSpam@NoSpamuswest.com To: Martha Deavers , "bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com." Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:44:41 MDT Subject: Re: BMW: K100LT Driveway Damage Reply-To: bkeaheyNoSpam@NoSpamuswest.com Addressed to: Martha Deavers "bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com." ** Reply to note from Martha Deavers Fri, 13 Jun 97 10:15:02 PDT > Any suggestions on how to repair four or five small holes in the seat? > It's a bmw factory seat that sorta looks like it could have been made by = > Corbin. You ain't gonna believe this: 1: Go to a flooring store (as in carpet, wood, tile, and VINYL flooring). 2: Get a tube of vinyl flooring seam sealer (it's a thin, clear liquid). 3: For somewhat larger holes go to an upholstery shop and get some small scraps of Naugahyde or other covering material similar to that used on your seat. 4. Cut a patch of the scrap Naugahyde, push it into the hole, and using a thin screw driver, spread it out UNDER the edges hole, so that it supports the edges of the tear. 5. Use the seam sealer as a glue, and doing this in several stages: - glue the torn edges to the underlying support patch - fill in between the torn edges - build up a layer on top to seal it all and make it weatherproof. NOTE: Seam sealer is not really glue so its not very sticky, but it does bond well to the vinyl, and is both flexible and waterproof. So you have to go slow and play with it a lot, pressing the edges back down as it dries. And use several layers. Since it's clear, you might want to get some vinyl paint to restore an even color to the patched area when the patch is done. For really small holes are small, don't bother with the undelying patch; just fill them with the seam sealer, applying several layers, allowing each to dry until you build up enough thickness to be strong. This won't result in an invisible patch, but a serviceable one that is far better than duct tape or any of the other so-called "plastic repair tapes". Bruce G. Keahey, U S WEST Advanced Technologies, Boulder, CO "Never anger a dragon, for you are crunchy and go well with Brie." From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jun 29 20:44:34 1997 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:33:26 -0700 From: bmw_r850r Organization: Prodigy Internet To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: The cost of love Reply-To: bmw_r850r Come July 9th, I will have had my R850R one year. For anyone interested, this is the cost of my affair: Insurance $462.00 Cordura Jacket 279.95 Leather Gloves 49.95 Tax for above two items 27.05 Helmet 179.95 Tax 38.54 Half Helmet 74.95 Face Shield 12.95 Passenger Helmet 108.15 Headgator, BMW Boots, Pants, & Cap 507.74 Tankbag 290.00 Winter Gloves 43.07 GIVI Luggage 449.55 BMW Club Fees 99.00 Maps 16.51 600 Mile Service 171.91 6000 Mile Service 148.68 12,000 Mile Service & Tires 843.30 18,000 Mile Service 125.91 Gas (approx.) 20,000 X 1.40/47 mpg 595.75 Down Payment on Bike 1367.39 Monthly Payment X 12 2082.84 Total $7,975.14 And it's still not over. I HAVE to get a new seat, more luggage, and pay to get the charcol filter moved so the bags can fit. Also, Geblings clothes, a leather jackets, and a few more things I can't think of now. Is it worth it? My heart says yes, but my head says no. Robin Phillips Seattle, WA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 2 13:43:43 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:50:47 -0400 To: jdunkleNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net From: Mike Saunders Subject: Re: BMW: ISO Trailer rental in Baltimore Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: Mike Saunders Jeff, I tried to rent the U-Haul "Garden Trailer" two years ago to bring an FLH home from CT. They said it would exceed the trailer's capacity and refused to rent it. I ended up with an enclosed (read expensive) cube trailer. >> U-Haul has a low, corrugated floored trailer that is rented to haul lawn equipment. It has a drop gate ramp, and some railed sides. I've hauled a K75 on one and all I needed was a set of tie down straps. << Michael Saunders Baltimore, MD msaundersNoSpam@NoSpamfreedomforum.org '95 R1100RSL '80 R65 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 2 15:32:52 1997 From: MRob46NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:08:00 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com, GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Subject: BMW: Re: Udder Balm Reply-To: MRob46NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com At 11:02 PM 6/30/97 -0400, GWBDMBNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: .... >Ok enough. I have used a first aid cream for years and always and I mean >always have a supply with me . Wind burn. Sun burn. Fire burns. cuts . >Infections. You name it and this stuff works. Better then over the counter >stuff and far less $$$$$. the product is called Bag Balm and it is uesed >for,...... treatment of ..... cow utters. Oh God the rath. But for $6 at >any feed store you get 10 oz of an antiseptic that is close to magical. plus >you can dream up all sorts of other applications. > >So the product is called Bag Balm. And it really does do so amazing things. > try it Long distance bicyclists swear by this stuff, too. My husband uses Dr. Naylor brand "Udder Balm", $2.95 for 9 oz. The active ingredient is 8-Hydroxyquinoline in a petrolatum/lanolin/wax/oil base. Marilyn Roberts '94 K75A low seat St. Louis Gateway Riders BMWMOA AMA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 4 11:50:12 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 08:28:58 -0700 Subject: BMW: Toolkit/spare Parts Recommendations X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,17-18,22-23,25,27-29,35-43 From: borgstrom1NoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (S Borgstrom) Reply-To: borgstrom1NoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (S Borgstrom) From: Bill Harrison snip Currently my traveling tool kit is based on what I need to do a tune-up on Susan's R75/6. Basically do a complete tune-up on the bike, collecting all the tools you used in a pile instead of putting them away. Then throw in a multi tester, a roll of good waterproof duct tape (fresh, not too old) and some spare parts plus the tools to install them and you should be ready to go. I have expanded on the basic kit over time to include an assortment of allen wrenches, sockets and spares to fit the KRS. Most of the stuff lives in an old steel Makita cordless drill box that fits in a saddle bag quite nicely. Spares should include a bulb kit and one of each cable on your bike. Yes, a torque wrench is a big piece of equipment to lug around "just in case" but you never know, the guys exchanging a bad rocker arm for a good one in the campground at Flagstaff were mighty happy to have mine available! My only experience with the factory manual is my R60/7-R100RS US Models book. I find Clymer and Haines more useful. The relatively recent vintage of your R11GS may limit your choice in the matter. Only experience will tell you which manual you work best with. I tend to grab the Haines for the /6 because it is thinner than the Clymer but am limited to the Clymer for the KRS. Stephen Borgstrom '91 K100RS '77 GL1000 BANG#2 Federal Way WA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 7 15:47:36 1997 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:17:03 -0700 From: "N. Bruce Nelson" To: bob shilling Cc: mike barnett , bmw bikers Subject: Re: BMW: TLA's from the IBMWR. Reply-To: "N. Bruce Nelson" President Bob Shilling wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mike Barnett wrote: > > > SWMBO - Significantly Wobbly Motor Biking Other ? > > BOOF - Biking Outdoors Only, Fool ?? > > YMMV - Your Machine May Vary ??? > > FWIW - Four Wheels Is Wimpish ???? > > BTDT - Bikers Teach Dirty Tactics ????? > > JMNSHO - ?????? > > SWMBO - She Who Must Be Obeyed - wife, girl friend, etc. Originally > used in H.Rider Haggards 19th century novel "SHE", and more recently by > Rumpole of the Bailey for his lovely wife Hilda. > > BOOF - Brotherhood of old farts: an organization I am too young to join. > 8^} > YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary > FWIW - For What It's Worth > BTDT - Been There Done That > JMNSHO - Ya got me! I've never seen this one. Just my not so humble opinion. N. Bruce Nelson '78 R80/7 Mesa, AZ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 4 21:37:58 1997 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 19:18:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Dick & Jane To: ed korn Cc: bmw-techNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: TECH: Why BMW's cost so much and other matters Reply-To: Dick & Jane On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Ed Korn wrote: > There have been a number of post concerning a comment I made about a >bearing number and the price I sell it for. This sort of thing has come up >before in almost exactly the same manner on the IBMWR list. In that case >the list administrator, Joe Senner, in his official capacity, told me to >stop it. I unsubscribed as a result. > Tom, Joe et al completely miss the point of my putting in a price, >confusing advertising with technical information. I design(ed) lots of >stuff, not just the BMW tools some of you are familiar with, and when I do >so I insist on having prices available for the components I'm considering >incorporating in a design. To me, knowing the cost is just one of the >technical considerations, the same as weight, strength, speed, color etc. >If the thing weighs too much, is too weak, too slow, too ugly or cost too >much it just is not going to work for its intended application. > Let me clarify by example. I designed what I think is a very nice >tool for >removing the finned exhaust nuts used on R68, R69, R69s and all air-head >BMWs from 1970 on ($26, ORDER BEFORE MIDNIGHT TONIGHT). It is compact, >about 2 in wide x 4 3/4 in long and a 1/2 inch thick, weighs less than a >pound and is attractive to boot. There is a 1/2 square hole to use with a >torque wrench, and as I said I charge $26. There is also a BMW factory tool >available, about 3 1/2 in wide, 15 in long and 1 1/2 in thick at the >maximum. Mine is of course better for lots of reasons. With mine you can >actually use the torque specification that BMW puts in their shop manuals >for all these exhaust nuts, you can't with theirs. Mine is small enough to >carry with you in the tool tray, theirs ain't. I can ship mine around the >world to customers at a fraction of the cost of shipping theirs. Theirs >used more of the world resources to make, both in materials and energy than >mine, mine is lot easier to manufacture (read cheaper to make), and has >significantly more visual appeal than theirs. > So how much does theirs cost? Well if I tell you it cost $10 whose would >you buy? Me, I'd buy theirs. I ain't gonna carry either one in my tool box, >and I don't give a fuck what it looks like as long as it does the job, and >no one has ever used a torque wrench on these nuts before, so why start >now. If I tell you theirs cost $70 which would you buy? Me, I'd buy mine. >The lesson of this is that $26 is as technically important as the weight or >the size. Or at least to me it is, and I will continue to supply that >information along with other germane specifications. > There is another lesson here of course, the interaction between price and >quality and design, but this post has gone on long enough so I'll save it >for another time. > >Ed > >BMW Motorcycle CATALOG (mostly tools) last updated 10 Jun 97 available at: >http://www.aetherserv.com/cycleworks/ email: edkornNoSpam@NoSpamitis.com >Via email in Word for Windows or PCX or GIF or by Fax or Snail Mail >Cycle Works 170 Jackson St. Madison WI 53704 USA Phone: (608) 246-0404 > Latest additions: Head (Steering) Bearings /5 /6 /7 and later > Lightened /2 & Balanced /2 - /7 Flywheels > Left Handed Threaded Inserts for Albert Mirrors Well Ed the problem is that you have been going about this all wrong. Writing to the list and giving the price of the things that you make is way too direct for this list or for the IBMWR list. You must not be a city boy, making a blunder like that. What you have to do is have someone *else* write to the list, on your behalf, maybe with a trip report, and mention that they had to stop by your shop because of an urgent need for something that you make. Like this: "My next stop was supposed to be Fargo but my /7 flywheel started acting crazy, probably because both of my saddlebags were so full of Wisconsin cheese, not to mention the beer I picked up in Chicago. Fortunately I remembered that Ed Korn's shop was in Madison and I was able to swing by there to pick up a new "Lightened" and "Balanced" flywheel. Using just the few tools in my tool roll and with Ed's advice I was able to tear that baby down right there at Ed's place and install the new "Lightened" and "Balanced" flywheel in no time at all. "Ed Korn is a great guy and a real gentleman. If you are ever near Madison make it a point to stop by for a visit with him and to look at all the really great stuff that he makes and sells for incredibly low prices. Tell him that I sent you. Everything he makes is so neat that, if I can convince SWMBO, I am considering ordering one of everything. I must admit that the one thing I couldn't pass up, and had to buy on the spot, was the neat wrench that he makes for removing those finned exhaust nuts. It's very compact, about 2 in wide x 4 3/4 in long and 1/2 in thick, it weighs less than a pound and it is attractive to boot. *Also* it has a 1/2 in square hole in it so that it can be used with my torque wrench. And, it's only $26. Cool! Compare that price with the clunky BMW wrench! "I didn't make it to Fargo that day, only to Maiden Rock on the bank of the Mississippi River. I had a lot of fun there and was able to discover how the town got its name. But that's another story for another time." See? Like that. Then Joe will say, "This guy Ed must be a really talented and great guy" not "Get off of my list." Dick Taylor - Classy Guy hetchinsNoSpam@NoSpammontana.com Live and lean. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 8 21:18:56 1997 From: MRob46NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:00:13 -0400 (EDT) To: doncuomoNoSpam@NoSpamhnl.net, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Don Cuomo's stalling K75/tool wrap alternative Reply-To: MRob46NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Don, I meant to send you a post before now, but here it is. Did you have a tank bag on the bike when it was stalling? I have heard reports from my dealer that folks who use certain kinds of tank bags sometimes have this problem. Of course, the multivario tank bag made for the bike has a hole where the gas tank cap is so that it can breathe, however I have been told that tank bags such as the Harro bag fit so snuggly that no air can get to the cap, therefore, no venting. I use a (cheap) OSI tank bag when I travel long distances and have not had any stalling problems but the OSI flaps slightly in the wind, especially if it's not loaded heavily. I had no stalling problems in the Texas (and all points inbetween) national rally heat. That's with the tank bag on and the SHED system still in place. I removed the flapper long ago. If you don't have a clogged vent somewhere, perhaps your stalling is something as simple as a tank bag. On another subject, in digest 2014 you asked about alternatives to the BMW tool roll. I never did like mine either. Tools were always all over the tail section. At the national rally I bought a Kathy's tool wrap from the Bob's BMW booth. So far I like it a lot--the tools stay put, the velcro is easier to use than the BMW buckle, and it's a smaller diameter when rolled up. Marilyn Roberts '94 K75A low seat St. Louis Gateway Riders BMWMOA AMA P.S. What USCF class/category are you? I used to race but I only officiate now. E-mail me privately. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 13 02:42:32 1997 From: Matthew Thornbury To: "'arkuntzNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com'" Cc: "'IBMWR list'" Subject: BMW: RE: Quick Release Licence Plate Fastener Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 02:27:03 -0400 X-Info: Via World Wide Development Reply-To: Matthew Thornbury Righto, Al. They're pronounced "Zeuss", spelled "Dzus". Air Tech, Lockhart, etc. = carry them in various configurations. I've got 'em on one of my bikes, = and they're great. Easy on/off, don't seem to be prone to coming loose = on their own. Matt Ashland, KY ---------- In a message dated 97-07-12 21:15:35 EDT, Tom Nash Subject: BMW: RE: Preventing Euro juvenile delinquency writes: << what exactly is a license-plate 'quick-release' mounting method that = =3D doesn't increase the risk of what you're trying to prevent?< =20 To be honest, I don't know yet, I have not figured that one out. >> Tom & Court, when I worked as an aviation electronics tech on F-106's in = the US Air Force some years back, the access panels were fastened with = devices we called "zeuss" fasteners. They were two-piece assemblies that = disconnect with 1/4 turn. The female end was rivited into the aircraft frame, = while the male end was rivited into the panel. Their total thickness was = approximately 1/2". If you could get your hands on such a fastener (I presume they're still used on aircraft), they could be pretty easily adapted to the use you're discussing. Hope this helps. Al Kuntz Greenback, TN 1995 K-75 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 14 12:56:12 1997 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:36:54 -0400 From: Bill To: bmw list Subject: BMW: License Plate screws, Dzus fastners X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: Bill > Subject: BMW: Quick Release Licence Plate Fastener > Tom & Court, when I worked as an aviation electronics tech on F-106's in the > US Air Force some years back, the access panels were fastened with devices we > called "zeuss" fasteners. They were two-piece assemblies that disconnect > with 1/4 turn. The female end was rivited into the aircraft frame, while the > male end was rivited into the panel. Their total thickness was approximately > 1/2". If you could get your hands on such a fastener (I presume they're > still used on aircraft), they could be pretty easily adapted to the use > you're discussing. Yes, Dzus are still available, they are great, designed to resist vibration and pullout. They are used on large computer enclosures also. I just use Nylocs, nuts that have a nylon insert in them to resist removal. They require 2 tools to remove and some patience as they do not loosen easily even when they aren't tight. Bill. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 16 10:45:32 1997 From: jjlfleckNoSpam@NoSpamnetnitco.net Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:18:25 -0500 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Ride to work day origins Reply-To: jjlfleckNoSpam@NoSpamnetnitco.net See the article in the July 97 "Motorcycle Tour & Cruiser" on the origins of the Ride to Work Day. It states it began at Aerostitch with Andy Goldfine and then became an "event" in the 90's as promoted by "Motorcycle Consumer News". I've got the day off. Since its an official event, I guess I'll tell the wife I have to go riding. She can't argue with that:-) Larry Fleck K75RT From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 20 19:01:02 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:49:57 -0700 (PDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Dennis & Karen Withner Subject: BMW: Rally Field Events Cc: <2thermoNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net> Reply-To: Dennis & Karen Withner >Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 23:34:17 -0700 >From: Mark Etheridge <2thermoNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net> >Hi all: > >Due to a momentary lapse at our local BMWR meeting I volunteered >to due field events at the upcoming Cashmere County Rally (WA State). >Although I know I am opening myself up for the bizarre, I would >appreciate any suggestions on well received or memorable events from >past rallies. Any help would be appreciated. > >TIA Mark (field events lackey) Equipment needed: -Meggaphone/s -several road cones of various sizes -tennis, croquette, golf balls -hoola and other hoops -roll of surveyors tape -8NoSpam@NoSpam 1' wooden stakes- 2 to 4 hammers and assistants -several dozen eggs -large dish pan -graduated 5 gal bucket -water supply -stopwatch,score keeper/recorder -chalkline maker Here's a few that mite be interesting : 1. "Kickin' the cow". "Riders" start together at line astride bike. On signal they dismount and move bikes 50' forward (or whatever feet, depending on how many laughs U want) using kick starter as sole means of propulsion. Upon reaching the next line they must then push the bikes backwards, from in front of the bikes using bars to the start/finish line. Limited of course, to bikes w/ kicks and small or no fairings. Worthy of large liquid prize as race is very physical. 2. "Slow Race". Grid off an area with 6 or 8 lanes about 3' wide and X' long. Riders start together. The LAST one across the finish line, without dabbing or riding outside thier lane boundarys, wins. May be done one or two up for different classes w/ round robin if lots of contestants. Ride-offs always make a contest more fun. 3. "Shot Put". Place 6 or 8 road cones (different size cones make it more challanging) in a line or pattern. Each contestant in turn is given one ball per cone. Tennis balls, croquette balls, golf balls. Contestant must, without stoping or dabbing, ride by cones, ballancing a ball on top of cone or depositing golf ball inside cone. Most "puts" wins. May be done two up for different classes. 4. "Ring Toss" Same as above except rider/s are issued one ring per cone and must get them around cones. Multi size rings add challange. Hoola hoops, garden hose spliced togeather w/ a dowel or something. 5. "Scramble Sprint"* Riders park bike in 10' "box", engines off. Riders move back to another line. On signal riders sprint to bikes, start and race to further line, stoping inside a 10' "box", shut off engine, dismount, sprint to further point and retrieve an egg. Return to bike, restart and sprint back to first box. Rider must stop inside boxes and return to finish w/ intact egg. Can be done as timed event or as race if enough room avialable for good lane seperation. 6. "The Incredible Shrinking Circle" Using 8 one foot stakes and surveyors tape, create a 20' or so square box with a 3' wide entrance chute w/ 3' sides. Riders must enter box, complete a full circle and exit chute w/o dabbing or touching boundary tape. As each pass is attempted by all contestants, box is made smaller by a foot or so, until only one can complete a pass. If U can make a large chalkline X, w/ pre measured increments for square reductions it will speed things up a bunch. Two to four helpers to restretch tape/replant stakes also speedier. May be done one or two up,one or two hand for classes. 7. "Dish Pan Race"* Two up contest. Use large stainless mixing bowl (curved sides are more fun than square) or dish pan. At starting line pilon is handed bowl/pan with premeasured quantity of water, 2-3 gallons recommended. On signal, driver must ride a distance to another line, stop, and then complete figure-8 around two cones and back to start line. Team w/ best time AND most water remaining in bowl wins. A couple of good bumps in the course adds challange. Beach/pack towel a good prize. (I'll donate that) 8. "Egg Toss"* A two up team contest. Two teams of two up riders are issued three eggs at starting line. Drivers proceed along outsides of premarked 'V' at ever increasing distance to finsh line. Teams that complete most successfull egg passes by time finish line is reached, without dabbing or crossing 'V' line, wins. Bottle of wine to share best prize. Need two teams minimum. Egg robin playoffs. 9. "Riding Suit Rumble"* Bikes parked at starting line. Riders standing at second line w/ full riding gear on grond; suit(one or two piece),helmet,gloves. On signal, riders must don all gear(all zippers & buckles/belts fastened), get ok from observer (one each team), proceed to bike, start, mount, ride distance to/and around two sets of figure-8s repark on line, shut off, take off all gear and be first across finish line. Can be done one or two piece suits if one is unfair advantage or two up for other classs. Timed event or round robin w/ two racers or teams. 10. "Start n' Stop" Most fun w/ Harleys but older BMWs will do. Two classes, Kick and electric. How many times can contestent start/kill and restart bike. This aught to keep em busy for a while, and provied a lot of fun. Events w/ (*) are my own fiendish invention. may your life be Eventfull, Dennis (DMW) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Dennis Maxwell, & Karen Lee, Withner BMWRA/AIRHEADS/MOA/ULC Ham-NX7D SSI-IT #123 Ham-KA7EJO ANDI,NAUI,YMCA,PADI Diving Travel Agent Washington Divers Inc. 903 N State St, Bellingham WA 98225 ph 360-676-8029 fax 360-647-5028 ~Diving Educators and Outfitters since 1973~ 77' R100/7 "Educator" Carpe Beemum - (sieze the Beemer) see U aroundel *********************** From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 22 18:43:43 1997 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:30:47 -0700 From: Scott Lee Organization: CAD Toolbox To: ldriderNoSpam@NoSpamusaa.net Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: re: fuel grade X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: Scott Lee I switched to 89 octane from 92 as an experiment right after I did a service II at 60,000 miles (fluids, valve adjust, etc.) on my 88 BMW K100RS. As I got better fuel mileage, for cheaper gas, I thought I had found something neat. Maybe not...During the life of the bike one exhaust valve needed adjusting once-all the others stayed in spec without adjustment up to the service II at 60,000 miles. I recently did the service II at 70,000 miles, and ALL the exhaust valves were tight and required adjustment. They were previously all at .010 to .011 (service minimum, they stayed there a long time) at the 60,000 mile check; at the 70,000 mile check they measured .007 (#1 ex.), .008 (#2 ex.), .009 (#3 ex.) and .008 (#4 ex.). The intake valves were still at the same lash clearances as measured at 60,000 miles. This exhaust valve clearance reduction could be from four different causes: 1. Lower octane produced a higher exaust gas temperature (EGT), causing valve seat wear 2. Oxyginated gas being forced on us here in southern california caused higher EGT 3. Valve seat wear was inevitable, and caught up to me (I don't think so, not with the valve clearances staying ststic for so long) 4. The valves themselves are going away fro some reason (oh, I really hope not..) So, I have switched back to 92 octane, and will be checking the valve clearances at 75,000 miles out of curiosity and concern for the well being of my cylinder head/valves. And no, it was not running lean, actually runs a little "fat" as set on a CO meter every 10,000 miles. Euro cams (a BMW factory part number, replacing the california/us cams that came stock, done at 6000 miles on the bike) and a staintune exhaust (likewise at 6,000 miles), for anybody interested. Summary: is lower octane gas bad?? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not taking my chances, especially in the land of MTBE or whatever.I'm running premium now. Should hit 75,000 miles in late august. Stay tuned Same bat time, same bat channell Scott Lee Somewhere in L.A. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 22 22:31:53 1997 Posted-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:13:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Adam Wolkoff" To: "Sobczyk, Joe" , bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:13:04 +0000 Subject: Re: BMW: 600 Mile Check Up Reply-To: "Adam Wolkoff" > work is done as specified by the factory, they can't void the > warranty. It's part of federal law. The name of the act that applies > escapes me, but I can Its called the Moss-Magnusson Warrany Act. While the manufacturer can't make you use their dealers, there are practical reasons for doing so, as others have pointed out. Warranty adjustments (and post-warranty fixes) will be much smoother. I have heard others complain that BMWNA has prooven difficult when asked to stand behind items previously worked on by non-authorized dealers. I've never experienced this myself, however. Further, Authorized shops will likely have the special service tools required on the newer bikes. YMMV, etc. Regards, Adam Wolkoff Saint Paul, Minnesota awolkoffNoSpam@NoSpamnospam.visi.com http://www.visi.com/~awolkoff/FeBUTT.html St. Paul, MN LoRent Racing--Ironbutt 97 #35 *Sponsorship Opportunities Available* From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 22 22:54:38 1997 From: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:42:24 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Cc: JMillerNoSpam@NoSpamfancypubs.com Subject: BMW: Re: FW: Motorcycle Consumer News Reply-To: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com About the problem I stated earlier, got a responce back from the Ed of MCN within 24 hours. All in all, very customer service orientated and concerned about pleasing the consumer. I dare say (although it is still early) that my faith in them has been restored. I have taken their advise on gloves, boots, helmets, cleaners and various other occasions as well. It appears that I may get a chance to continue doing so. VIC WARUSZEWSKI, SoD # 21 VI #1 MOA 85K100RS BMW Touring Club of Detroit #1 Motor City Beemers Team K-Basa http://pages.prodigy.com/bmwtcd My opinions are my own. They'll hunt you down like, ... well like the dog you are. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 23 21:53:45 1997 From: "Sobczyk, Joe" To: "'bmw list'" Subject: BMW: RE: Techno talk (was R1100 things to watch) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 21:27:00 PDT Reply-To: "Sobczyk, Joe" John posits the modern-age dilemma: >It seems to me -- the techno-peasant -- that as >BMW "evolves" (oilhead > K12RS > ???), the >increased complexity leads to more & more >problems. And this, in turn, translates to more >and more expense for the riders who own >them. To those with the bucks, this is simply >an inconvenience. To others, it is a major >factor in whether or not we keep riding this >marque. > Let's set aside for the moment what seem to be some very serious teething problems (or should we say quality control problems) that the marque is having with the oilheads. You, like me, have plenty of R-bike experience to know all about valve adjustments, diode boards, points, floats, diaphragms, adjustments, adjustments and readjustments. I don't know 'bout nothin' like that with my K-bike. I love my R-bike. If I had to choose a cycle to ride out the nuclear holocaust, it would be the R-bike, which I would be able to rebuild over and over during the next two decades with only the tool kit that came with it. If I were planning a cross-country ride tomorrow and wanted to do it with the greatest comfort and security I would be on the K. I am a pretty fair backyard mechanic. It frustrates me that increasingly I can do very little of the work on my car or motorcycle. But, I don't HAVE to do nearly as much work on either. Modern machines have far, far fewer breakdowns and problems. Many of the recent innovations on motor vehicles have actually made them much simpler. Carbs are complex pieces of engineering compared to fuel injection. Many points of potential failure. The problem is that most backyard mechanics haven't shifted to the new paradigm. When something does break, the backyard mechanic who has only trained himself on the old technology is at a loss. Many of the parts must be replaced rather than fixed. But again, they don't break much. Joe Sobczyk Washington DC 81 R65 85 K100RS SobczykNoSpam@NoSpamWashpost.com The opinions are my own, etc. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 00:47:20 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:49:05 -0700 From: Sam Lepore To: Internet BMW Riders Subject: BMW: Water pump failures - warning from MCN Reply-To: Sam Lepore In the August issue of Motorcycle Consumer News there is a warning in response to a letter from a Gold Wing rider about successive failures in water pumps. MCN has received letters from over 100 GW owners in response to their request for more information. MCN has done some research and thinks they *MAY* have found the cause ... and I wonder if it could also affect BMW water cooled bikes. They found nearly all of the owners who had a failure flushed their cooling systems then replaced with Prestone or Zerex (mixed with water, of course), *NOT* the Honda made and recommended coolant. "Conversations with chemical engineers at Dupont and Prestone revealed that their coolants contain microscopic silicate particles - like a very fine sand or ground glass - which are designed to 'scrub' rust and corrosion from the surfaces of radiators." The Honda coolant does not contain silicates. It seems possible, if not likely, that the silicates may be casuing the water pump failures, and they are asking GW owners to flush and fill with non-silicate coolant to see if the problem dissapates. The manual for my K75 says "use antifreeze and corrosion inhibitors free of nitrite", but it does not specify a brand (saying only that such coolant is available from your dealer). Without trying to start the equivalent of the auto oil / bike oil discussion, I have to ask: Do BMWs have the same possible problem with exposure to 'automotive coolant'? _________________________ Sam Lepore, San Francisco From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 28 00:47:01 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:14:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Geoff Adams To: IBMWR Subject: BMW: Eating your way, no BMW. Reply-To: Geoff Adams Whoever reccommended the book "Eating Your Way Across the USA" a few weeks ago...Thanks. I picked up a copy before the family cage trip and used it three times to find some really great places that I would have never gone into otherwise. Geoff Adams '85KRS MOA 22753 TBC Arlington, TX IBMWR BMWDFW NTCOF tbcNoSpam@NoSpamdfw.net LSBMWR "We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities!" -Pogo. ____________________________________________________________________________ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 28 20:00:56 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:47:25 -0700 From: Scott Lee Organization: CAD Toolbox To: Clarence Dold Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: re:WD-40 in connectors X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: Scott Lee Clarence Dold wrote: > Scott, embelishing the truth a bit, incorrectly notes: > > > WD-40 is a water dispersing (WD; the 40 is from the 40th attempt > at > > a formulation..) LUBRICATING OIL. It is NOT a contact cleaner!! > > I have not been able to locate the word "lubricant" on a can of WD-40. > > Water Dispersant? yes. 40th formula? observed urban legend. > Contact Cleaner? I don't think it is volatile enough. > > --- > Clarence A Dold - doldNoSpam@NoSpamnetwork.rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. Well, check out http://www.octane.com/wd40.html#anchor2579647 for the lowdown on WD-40 history. Also, check out http://www.paranoia.com/~filipg/HTML/FAQ/BODY/F_Chemistry.html for a summary of a newsgroups thread on the use of WD-40 in electronic stuff, as well as some tips on contact cleaner. Embellish, indeed.. Scott Lee Somewhere in L.A. NOT #e From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 31 00:22:17 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:46:09 -0500 From: klefler To: RCarr46282NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Bike on a bike? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: klefler Rob I have built a couple of racks for this purpose check one out on my web site at http://soli.inav.net/~klefler -- Ken Lefler Iowa City, Ia. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Aug 3 23:40:28 1997 From: MGA1201NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 23:26:22 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Left Lane Campers Reply-To: MGA1201NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com One of the best car accesories I have seen.... A sports car (camaro, firebird...??) had a sticker across the top of his windshield, with the lettering so that it was readable from the car in front of him through the rear view mirror: SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT. now I just need to figure out how to do that on my bike! Jim Goski 82 R100RS From bmwbrianNoSpam@NoSpamvoicenet.com Thu Aug 7 02:48:40 1997 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:53:56 -0400 (EDT) To: Thomas Hundt , bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Brian Curry Subject: Re: BMW: "What To Do If You're Stopped By The Police" At 08:20 PM 8/6/97 -0400, Thomas Hundt wrote: > >Article in this month's (8/97) CityBike, available here in the >Bay Area. Written by a former officer and MC rider, Jim Thurber. > >I'm going to quote some of the interesting bits. (And please, no >flames about copyright violations, did I mention this newspaper >is given out for free, and only in this area? If you really >can't help yourself, send 'em direct. Thanks.) But you can subscribe as I do. :):):) IMO ABSOLUTELY THE BEST MC RAG OUT THERE. This one I read cover to cover every month, right when it comes. MOAN can wait and get perused. OTL can wait. CB gets read right now. You did provide credit. You did only quote parts and not the whole thing.... Subscription rates are: $20.00/year CityBike 1123 Kearny San Francisco CA 94133 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | "Do not give in to evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it." | | Virgil | | | | Brian Curry, 1990 Blue K75RTs both coasts, Chester Springs, PA | | The 9.25 cents a minute guy, USA SoD #23 | | | | KGN- Improving Lives Around The World | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Aug 8 12:37:16 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: K-bike mirror ejected... Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 09:22:56 -0700 From: Jim Dukes Reply-To: Jim Dukes X-No-Archive: yes Heading home from work last night, I was leaned over in a nice, sweeping left hand turn when my left mirror decided it wanted off. The wiring harness was not enough to hold it. After retrieving it I was suprised at how little damage there was to it after hitting the pavement at highway speeds. The actual mirror was fine, the turnsignal lense was completely unscathed, just a lot of deep scratches through my pristine alaska blue paint. I had seen the wire tether that Bob's BMW sells, and thought that I wouldn't pay that much for two pieces of wire. But of course, I never got around to making my own, and now I am kicking myself for not doing it. So, to other prezzes who have not gotten around to tethering your mirrors to the fairing, just a reminder next time you have them off, you might want to take the 5 minutes it took me to attach a piece of braided picture wire as a tether. Looks like I have a little painting to do this winter. Sigh. -Jim '85 K100RS -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Dukes (503)264-4066 jdukesNoSpam@NoSpamichips.intel.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Aug 10 23:38:36 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:19:39 +1000 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Graham Smith Subject: Re: BMW: acronyms (again) Reply-To: Graham Smith X-No-Archive: yes At 23:03 10/08/97 -0700, "Dennis M. Boyce" wrote: > 7. I also have had trouble understanding the acronyms used on the >list. Even with 20+ years in the military, some of them escape me. The >best I can do is: > > BTDT - Beat That Dead Thread > SWMBO - Stupid Whining Motorcyle Bugs Others > YMMV - You Make Me Vomit??? > FWIW - Found What I Want??? > IMNSHO - I Made Nothing Sound Halfway Okay??? > BOOF - The sound some members make after Brats and Beer??? > VIDIOT - Vidio Television? Haven't we got the web page setup yet????? BTDT - "Bean" there-Done that, (No, Been there-done that, really) SWMBO - She who must be obeyed YMMV - Your milage may vary FWIW - For what it's worth IMNSHO - In My NOT so humble opinion BOOF - Brotherhood of Old Farts VIDIOT - Villiage Idiot (see BOOF) Regards, Graham. =========== gsmithNoSpam@NoSpamdynamite.com.au ===================== / (?) \ Graham Smith (0) (0) PO Box 851 Canberra Australia 2601 \ \ / BELDIVERS SCUBA CLUB %\-/% ACT BMW MCC - '90 K1 (Blue & Yellow) %%% '88 Lotus Esprit Turbo (Pearl) ======== http://www.dynamite.com.au/~gsmith/ =========== From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Aug 11 12:59:27 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Shilling To: MTCollNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Re: SWMBO? Reply-To: Bob Shilling X-No-Archive: yes On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 MTCollNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > OK, I've had enough; time to admit my ignorance. As a collector and > connoiseur of acronyms, I'm well-versed in BOHICA, FUBAR, DILLIGAF, SNAFU, > and the like. However, SWMBO throws me. I know it refers to those lovely > creatures who give our lives meaning, but just what the hell do the letters > mean? She Who Must Be Obeyed. From H. Rider Haggard's novel "She" (the movie starred Ursula Andress 8^), and also used by Leo McKern in the British tv series "Rumpole of the Bailey" to refer to his lovely wife Hilda. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ........................... Bob Shilling, SE Berkeley, CA shillingNoSpam@NoSpamemf.net KK6QQ MSA S-10 '91 R100, "Sleipnir" ABC#2063 DoD# 1195 "Give me my cycle, and a star filled sky above..." 'The Wild One' Johnny Horton(1925-1960) "This alligator walks into a bar and ..." Horizon Kent From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Aug 11 10:56:11 1997 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:38:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Rand Z Rasmussen To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: dog trailer Reply-To: Rand Z Rasmussen X-No-Archive: yes I am posting this for general interest to dog lovers in the group. Last winter I fulfilled an idea I had been contemplating for some years and built a trailer to haul my dog. I got tired of leaving her in the dog jail on weekends, not to mention the expense, and besides, I like having her along sometimes. I built the thing using a Burley bicycle trailer for the base. The main concern (expressed to me by almost every single person I told about the project) was that the bearings and tires would not stand the strain. Having worked as a bicycle mechanic for many years, and having raced for a few, I did not agree with this assessment. No one seemed to have any real evidence that bicycle bearings and tires woould not work, but it seemed to be accepted folklore. Here's how I did it: PARTS 1) I ordered the lower trailer frame and wheels, sans the upper frame and nylon, of the Burley Delite, which has higher quality wheels than there other trailers. (From a bicycle shop) 2) I also ordered an extra hitch-arm as the trailer has a single-sided hitch and I wanted to make a triangulated hitch. 3) I bought a "Dogloo" plastic and wire kennel from a pet store. Another name that these come under is "Varikennel." They are the type of kennel one often sees in the back of pick up trucks. 4) I bought a regular ball-hitch arrangement and a hitch set up for the /7. I ended up have into fashion a drop hitch to bring the height down to the correct level. 5) I bought a set of standard trailer lights, and a converter to switch from a five lead to a four lead lighting system. these are available at Champion Auto. 6) Lots of nuts, bolts and washers. Assembling the parts didn't really take too long. The kennel is cradled into the trailer bed and secured with four bolts. It did take some effort, creativity and swearing to fashion the hitch. Perhaps a single-sided hitch would have been adequate, but it scared me. I disassembled the hub and re-greased them using a light synth grease and the original 3/16 ball bearings. I also re-tensioned the spokes as they are quite loose, and I brought the wheels into perfect true and round. I wanted to give it a good work-out before putting my dog into it so a friend and I loaded it with three times the expected payload of 50 pounds (150lbs), hitched it up behind his car and drove for approximately two hours at 75 mph, which is 15 mph faster than I intended to drive it with my dog in it. This also served the purpose of breaking in the bearing surfaces. After two hours with this load the hubs were not even warm. So far, so good. I was concerned about the noise and wind so I got into the trailer and had my friend drive for about a mile at 50 (risky, I know, but I wanted to check it out thoroughly. Besides, never send in a dog to do what you wouldn't do yourself.) After we got back I disassembled the hubs and inspected the races and cones with a magnifying glass. They were pristine. I then replaced the stock balls with grade 25 Campagnolo balls, which are the highest quality bearings available for bicycle racing. I replaced the grease with high-temperature wheel bearing grease. PERFORMANCE The trailer tracks well behind the bike; especially with the wheels towed slightly. I inspected the bearing and surfaces at 250, 500, 1000, 2000 and 3000 mile intervals. All surfaces still look perfect. The initial tires wore out after only 2,000 miles, but the new ones I bought are harder rubber and show little wear at 1000 miles. I cut a hole in the front of the trailer and added a plexiglas window which allows me to see Mag in the mirror. I added a Thermarest pad to the bottom of the kennel to provide some additional shock-absorption. I keep the tires inflated to 30psi for the same purpose, even though they are rated higher. I cary extra bearings and cones, extra tube, extra tire, spoke wrench, grease and cone wrenches, but I have not needed any of these yet. Mag has gotten used to the trailer, and likes it now. I tried to take her to places she liked at first so she would associated it with fun. I don't, for example, use it to bring her to the vet. She spends most of her time looking out the windows or sleeping. It seems to ride ok, even without shocks. I get lots of grins, thumbs-up and pictures taken when we are on the road. All of this did not come cheaply. In fact, I have become convinced that one could probably pick up a trailer bed with lights and hitch, and have only to add the kennel to it for the same or less money (approx $350) than I spent on this project. But I wanted bearings that I could service mysel--along the road if need be. I also have always wanted to see if this would work, and it has. I make no claims for anyone else attempting a similar project. This has worked for me and I thought there may be some who are interetsed. Inquiries and questions are welcome, please extinguish all flames before replying. From Scott Lee Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:12:44 -0700 From: Scott Lee Subject: BMW: re: Human Factors numbers The manual I use for human factors numbers (how long is an arm reach, human size limits, etc.) is Mil-Std-1472. I have rev D (1989) in my library; there may be a more recent edition, but I figure evolution isn't that fast.. Scott Lee Somewhere in L.A. NOT #e, and mechanically inclined engineer From Colin Sutton Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:20:16 -0300 From: Colin Sutton Subject: BMW: Re: chat room.. At 06:31 AM 8/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >> There's one going up on my soon-to-be-updated (scheduled for completion >> Friday) Web Site for the Nova Scotia BMW Riders... >> Go to: >> >> http://www.nsis.com/~csutton/nsbmwr/chat.htm >> >> And have a look. The page takes a minute to load, then enter your >> information, hit enter, and in another few seconds you're connected! > >Colin, > Maybe if you published a time(ie:Tuesday night at 8:00 EST) for a >weekly chat session it would encourage folks to drop in and get things >rolling. You can count on me to participate, as I have been waiting for >a chat channel for bmw riders to pop up. > >Mark Ayotte Okay, Mark, this sounds good. I've had a few requests now from people to get it going, so... Tonight at 8:00 EST, anybody interested can drop by for a chat. Don't expect to go anywhere else on the site, as the rest of the links from this page will be duds until the site update is finished. See you then! <:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:> Colin Sutton (h) (902) 752-4599 (c) (902) 396-6866 RR#3, Site 4, Comp. 3, New Glasgow, Nova Scotia, Canada B2H 5C6 E-mail: csuttonNoSpam@NoSpamnorth.nsis.com Website: http://www.nsis.com/~csutton/ Nova Scotia BMW Riders #40 Website: http://www.nsis.com/~csutton/nsbmwr.htm <-(VHML Chat: "Tora")-> <:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:> Only motorcyclists truly understand why dogs love to stick their head out the window of a moving car. From Karl Rosenbaum Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:32:49 -0400 From: Karl Rosenbaum Subject: BMW: BMW Theme I was looking around at the different BMW dealers that have web sites and stumbled along the Santa Cruz BMW site. There I found a BMW theme that can be used for those people that have Microsoft Plus! Some of the colors are not what I would use, but it is worth the look. Go to: www.bmwscruz.com/multimedia/multimedia.html Karl Rosenbaum Woodbridge, Va 88 K100LT "grandpa" BMWRA # 22184 BMWMOA #77012 AMA #567210 and BMWBMW #1650 krosenbaNoSpam@NoSpamerols.com http://www.erols.com/krosenba From carlo.antoniottiNoSpam@NoSpamjrc.it (Carlo Antoniotti) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:28:20 +0200 From: carlo.antoniottiNoSpam@NoSpamjrc.it (Carlo Antoniotti) Subject: Re: BMW: RT Screen Saver. Steve wrote: > Somewhere around the turn of the century, I downloaded an NT4 - Win95 > screen saver of the R1100RT. It's a great screen saver that spotlights [SNIP] > Anybody remember where it came from? Hi Steve, I'm using the same nice screensaver, and I found it long time ago in this site in Germany: http://www.motorrad.bmw.de/forum/forum/index.html Try there, the site seems to be still there. Ciao Carlo From Tom Nash Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:45:30 -0700 From: Tom Nash Subject: BMW: Air Compressor Question - No BMW Phil, My $0.02, based on my experiences with a similar-sized compressor in the = past: Regular garage duty: no problem, and very handy. They are also very = nice for small jobs with air-driven tools. Bead Blasting: you may have to be patient with large parts, and allow = the compressor to catch up, but you should be OK. Painting: Motorcycles, OK. It's enough to do a fairing or the frame. = Automobiles, forget it. Get a bigger compressor. That size allows you = to get part way through a fender or a hood, and then the pressure drops = to the point where the spray is weak and no longer even. You try to = compensate by moving the sprayer in closer, and do nothing but mess up = the nice job you just did. It can get very frustrating, particularly if = you are trying to do a pristine paint job. IF YOU ARE GOING TO PAINT - GET A PROFESSIONAL'S RESPIRATOR. Many of = today's paints, particularly the epoxy kind, can generate toxic gasses = such as chlorine and cyanide. This is not the kind of stuff you want to = be messing with in a home garage with a 2x4 frame, plastic sheets, and a = medical-style fabric nose and mouth shield. That's a sure-fire way to = gas yourself, or at least do permanent lung damage. Been there, tried = that, and learned the hard way (no permanent damage, but I sure was = miserable for a few days, not to mention picking dried paint balls out = of my nose for a week.) Oil versus oil-less: The oil-less ones are generally rotary-style, = which are not as reliable. They tend to wear out sooner, run hotter, = and trip circuit breakers more often. Get a piston-type with an oil = sump. Finally, if there is any way you can run 220 volts into the garage, and = get a 220-volt compressor instead, you will probably be happier in the = long run. 115 volts is marginal power for a compressor, and you will = quickly reach it's limitations. That's not to say it won't work, for it = will, but there is a big difference. About six month's into the life of = your 115-volt compressor, you will be looking to trade up. Tom Nash '94 K1100RS San Francisco I'm the one your mother warned you about.=00=00 From D&J Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:52:08 -0700 (MST) From: D&J Subject: Re: BMW: Sturgis 97 & Old 87/ corrections/ longererer Gately, I know you were just fucking around when you posted your message but I've chosen to take the last part of it seriously and to give you a serious answer. Who knows why? I guess because you were, unknowingly, making fun of my family and my heritage. >Why cowboys? Isn't the cow used for milk and they are care for by dairy men. They are all "cows" as far as cowboys and ranchers are concerned. They don't know from dairy cows. You can work on a ranch for ten years and never see so much as a glass of milk from any of the cows on the place. If you ever ask a real cowboy to milk a cow, he will have caught up his horses and be gone before you finish the sentence. The word "cattle," back in the days of the early cowboy, and all though history, referred to all domesticated quadrupeds, even dogs and cats, so that term was taken. It was a bit cumbersome to keep making distinctions between cows, bulls, calves, steers, yearlings, long yearlings, mavericks, mossbacks, etc. It was more convenient to refer to all of them as cows. >What happens when the boy is a man? Is he still a boy? A lot of those boys were men much earlier than the current crop, but lessee, my mother's father left his home in 1874 when he was fourteen and started working as a cowboy. He even took a year's sabbatical when he was eighteen and was sworn in and served as a Texas Ranger during the West Texas indian wars, before going back to cowboying. Then, when he was forty-two, he became a Methodist preacher. But, as you like to say, that is "another story for another time." And my father left his home in the Red River Valley, because his father was so mean, and started working as a cowboy when he was ten years of age in 1898. I didn't have to leave home, my parents were wonderful, but I can't remember when I started riding, and I started working cattle when I was about seven. So truly we all were cow *boys*. I guess that once you are called a boy that the name sticks no matter how old you might get to be.. A lot of the early cowboys, I'm talking 1865-1900 here, really were boys on their own, and the name "boy" just stuck. Of course now we would all be declared unsupervised juveniles and put in foster homes. >What do we call the men who heard the bulls? I've heard a lot of bull but I don't think that is what you meant. There never were very many bulls to herd. Most of them, then and now, were/are castrated and find a new sexual orientation as steers. In the early days beef cattle were really wild and they would charge and try to kill anyone on foot. Bulls were/are the worst. So, you tried not to ever have to get down off of the back of your horse. Over the years this wildness has been bred out of most of them so that now they are just a bunch of pussycats and much easier to handle, doctor, transport, etc. But bulls are really hard to handle. It's just something about all that testosterone I think. (Ladies, help me out here.) So nobody keeps any more bulls than they have to have for profitable breeding. (There's a message here for all of us oversexed guys, myself included.) Many a farmer has been killed by a bull that he thought he had tamed. Cowboys and ranchers usually know better, although I can recall one or two of them who became too uppity with their bulls and paid the price. >Are cattlemen, boys or men? The term cattlemen refers almost exclusively to ranch owners, not cowboys. They were of course mostly men, with a few independent women mixed in. This fact might help explain why the derisive phrase "big hat, no cows" doesn't really relate to anything. All cowboys had big hats and they didn't have any cows. Cowboys were, and are, hired employees. It's the rancher who owns the cows. The cowboy owned his saddle and bedroll and a few items of clothing, and *maybe* one or two horses. When he worked on a ranch his employer supplied all the working horses he used. Nowadays cowboys usually own a pickup truck, with maybe a camper, and maybe even a horse or two and a trailer. Some even have wives. But the early cowboys didn't own much. >Where do cow girls fit in? Well Gately, I've known a few real working cowgirls, and they could one and all, without exception, kick your ass all the way from Georgia to Texas and back again, and leave you thanking them profusely for letting you off so easy. I never try to "fit them in." What I like to do is try to fit *myself* in, between their legs. >aaaaaoooooooOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOoooooooooaaaaaaaaaaa Dick Taylor - Classy Guy hetchinsNoSpam@NoSpammontana.com SoD #27 Live and lean. From "Mike Barnett" Date: Sun, 31 Aug 97 12:55:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: BMW: Re: Say whut? Sam, Following on from the recent tales of mechanical mishap that have unfortu= nately been so prevalent on this list recently: SSU - Shiny Side Up (as opposed to Rubber Side Down) i.e. _DON'T_ have a bad day. Mike. P.S. Can you really do that to the word acronym??? - ---------- > Mike Barnett wrote: > > > > Nice story, Sam. > > > > SSU, Mike. > > Thanks, but - > > My acronymic recognitive brain functionality is somewhat impaired > regarding cross-Atlantic terminology ... what is SSU ? > > _________________________ > Sam Lepore, San Francisco > > > From "Norman R. Solberg" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:26:24 +0900 Subject: Re: BMW: bozosuka Terry Meek Said: >OK, whats a bozosuka gang? Actually, I misspelled -- it's bosozoku. Variously defined as "violent driving tribe" or "speed thrill gang," these are the antisocial biker gangs of youngsters in Japan who get together for very large group runs to annoy others. Junji Yoshida and many other Presidents who've been in Japan can probably fill you in better than I can. They have elaborate behavior rituals, language, clothing, etc. They were out again in Osaka Saturday night running around the superexpressways from about 1 am to 4 am. You know it when you hear it. The night of May 1 was particularly noisy and dangerous. Some of them are pretty bad types, as we've had 3 or 4 deaths of people who confronted them here in the last couple of years. Some are yakusa (Japanese mafia) in training. However, most appear to be middle class kids who just want to experiment with fun, thrills, and a "rebel" life style before settling down to a job in their twenties. At least this if the theory of Ikuya Sato's anthropological study "Kamikaze Biker - Parody and Anomy in Affluent Japan." The ones I've met pretty much fit that description, but there is no denying that there are some bad ones too. Certainly in the course of their raising hell they endanger a lot of people. All the best, Norm ___________ Norman R. Solberg Solberg International Law Office Osaka, Japan e-mail: solbergNoSpam@NoSpamgaiben.com Web site: http://www.gaiben.com From "Ian Schmeisser" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:47:29 -0400 Subject: Re: BMW: Re: "Squid" -- origin? Squid also may refer to what unprotected skin looks like after one gets an up close and personal look at the pavement: Calamari Ian Schmeisser Atlanta, GA USA - ---------- > From: Mike Schwandt > To: BMW List > Subject: Re: BMW: Re: "Squid" -- origin? > Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 10:50 AM > > > Mike Schwandt wrote: > > > > Harold Gantz wrote: > > > > > > Thomas Hundt asked: > > > >Can anybody tell me why we call squids, squids? > > > > > > I dimly remember that Cycle magazine in the eary '70s ran a > > > story about "squirrely kids" running their Yamaha RDs all over > > > the canyons in California every Sunday morning. The author > > > shortened Squirrely kids" to "Squids." > > > > > Around college towns "squids" refer to kids, mostly frat boys, riding > > around on there CBR's and such in shorts and sandles. I think true > > "squids" are in the shorts and sandles and wear a helmet, hard shell, > > soft body - ala squid. > > > > -- > > Mike Schwandt - mwschwanNoSpam@NoSpamindiana.edu > > http://arclight.music.indiana.edu/home.html > > Scenic Projectionist & Assistant Lighting Designer > > Indiana University Opera Theater > Harold Gantz wrote: > > > > Thomas Hundt asked: > > >Can anybody tell me why we call squids, squids? > > > > I dimly remember that Cycle magazine in the eary '70s ran a > > story about "squirrely kids" running their Yamaha RDs all over > > the canyons in California every Sunday morning. The author > > shortened Squirrely kids" to "Squids." > > > Around college towns "squids" refer to kids, mostly frat boys, riding > around on there CBR's and such in shorts and sandles. I think true > "squids" are in the shorts and sandles and wear a helmet, hard shell, > soft body - ala squid. > > -- > Mike Schwandt - mwschwanNoSpam@NoSpamindiana.edu > http://arclight.music.indiana.edu/home.html > Scenic Projectionist & Assistant Lighting Designer > Indiana University Opera Theater From George Basinet Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:32:50 -0700 Subject: Re: BMW: Towing Service/Roadside Assistance Preferences? Dana Priesing wrote: > > Los Presidentes: > > The recent post on Hoogeven's ride to the IBR parking lot, followed > by a tow truck, as well as the approaching end of my cruise missile's > warranty coverage, prompts this question: > > I received in the mail an offer to renew my Cross-Country Motor Club > membership. (BMW paid for the first three years, thanks.) Anyone have any > towing or roadside assistance services that they'd like to recommend as > better than CCMC? > > Dana Priesing > Arlington VA > 94 K11RS > BANG #1 > Fontana No Show #1 Dana I used Cross-Country about 5 or 6 times. They never refused to come to my aid. One time they couldn't find me and another service helped. Cross Country reimbursed me. George Basinet San Jose, CA From Brian Curry Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BMW: Abbreviations Since there were so many calls for it, and I think I was the one that furnished it to Norton, here is what I have, which is fairly comprehensive. =============================================================== AFAIK As Far As I Know AKA Also Known As ASAP As Soon As Possible BTW - By The Way BRB Be Right Back BRBDGA Be Right Back Don't Go Away FAQ Frequently asked questions FYI For Your Information FWIW For What It's Worth FUBAR F'd Up Beyond All Recognition GD&R Grinning, Ducking and Running (After snide remark) IANAL I Am Not A Lawyer (But...) IDK I don't know IMHO In My Humble Opinion IYHO In Your Humble Opinion IMO In My Opinion LOL Laughing Out Loud OTOH On The Other Hand PITA Pain In The Ass PMFJI Pardon Me For Jumping In (another polite way to get into a running discussion PS Post Script TIA Thanks In Advance TPTB The Powers That Be TTFN Ta Ta For Now ROTFL Rolling On The Floor Laughing ROTFLMAO- Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off ROTFLSTC Rolling On The Floor Laughing Scaring The Cat RTFM Read The F'N Manual SOHF Sense Of Humor Failure SWALK Sealed With A Loving Kiss WRT With Respect To WYSIWYG What You See Is What You Get YMMV Your Mileage May Vary (You may not have the same luck I did) YWIA Your Welcome In Advance Abbreviations that are not as nice or well known A list of abbreviations, acronyms and buzzwords commonly seen on the net, compiled and maintained by William December Starr , and updated/expanded by Ed Green (Ed.GreenNoSpam@NoSpamEast.Sun.COM): ATFQ - "Answer The F---ing Question!" (used when the speaker feels that the recipient has been evading the question or answering it incompletely) TIA, a T d H v A a N n K c S e, advTHANKSance, etc. - "Thanks in Advance," used when asking the net at large for advice or information (cute, huh?) BFD - "Big F---ing Deal" NBFD - "No BFD" BTBO - "Bites the Big One" or "Bit the Big One" BTW - "By The Way" OBTW - "Oh, BTW" DYI - "Do It Yourself[er]" ESAD, ES&D - "Eat S--- and Die" (see FOAD) FAQ - (see "FAQL," below) FAQL - "Frequently Asked Questions List" (A list of very commonly asked questions pertaining to the newsgroup in question, with answers. Usually maintained by a hapless volunteer and reposted in the group at regular intervals) FOAD - "F--- Off and Die" (see ESAD) FOAF - "Friend Of A Friend" (qualifying 3rd hand information) FWIW - "For What It's Worth" FYI - "For Your Information" IMHO - "In My Humble Opinion" or "In My Honest Opinion" IMNSHO - "In My Not So Humble Opinion" IMO - "In My Opinion" IMWTK - "Inquiring Minds Want To Know" MFAQ, MFAQL - variations on FAQ and FAQL, where M = "Most" MOTAS, MOTOS, MOTSS - "Member(s) of the {Appropriate | Opposite | Same} Sex" Ob. - "Obligatory" (usually used as in "Ob. Star Trek: William Shatner couldn't direct his way out of a paper bag," when the comment is (a) at/near the end of the posting and (b) the only thing in the posting which clearly has anything to do with the newsgroup in question [in this example, rec.arts.startrek]) OTOH - "On The Other Hand" [RDG -- Running, ducking, and grinning (as after a wise-ass comment) -Th] RFI - "Request For Information" RSN - "Real Soon Now" RTFM - "Read The F---ing Manual!" or "Read the Fine Manual!" RTM - derived from RTFM [sic] - "No, the immediately preceding word/phrase is _not_ a typo or a stupid mistake (or if it is, it's deliberate) -- it's exactly what I meant to say." Most commonly used when reproducing _somebody else's_ mistake or misspeech, as in: "Congress is not the sole suppository [sic] of wisdom." -- Rep. Bill Schuette (R-Mich) NOTE: Given that 99% of all quoted material on the net is cut and pasted by some electronic editor, the true meaning of the device is more along the lines of, "hey, look at how this bonehead make a spelling or grammar error and look how superior I am in pointing it out!" .sig - a person's signature (appended at the end of an article or letter), or the file in which a person keeps his default signature SO - "Significant Other" (Usually refers to one's lover/wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend/mistress/master/slave/pet-goat/whatever) typo - a typographical error TYVM - "Thank You Very Much" (often used sarcastically) WKF - "Well-Known Fact" (often used sarcastically) WRT - "With Regard To" (in math, "with respect to") WTF - "What The F---" YA... - "Yet Another..." (unless the article is about writing or publishing, in which case YA might mean "Young Adult") YMMV - "Your Milage May Vary" :-) - "Smiley" Used to indicate that the preceding text is meant to be taken humorously rather than seriously. There are a lot of variations on this -- :^) ;-> 8=) etc. -- and sometimes it's reversed (-: in which case it means, um, the same thing. (If you're having trouble figuring out why this symbol is used, try mentally rotating it 90 degrees clockwise and noting how the two dots of the colon become eyes, the dash a nose and the parenthesis a smiling mouth.) :-| and :-( are also seen occasionally; the former means either "I'm being serious here" or "I have ambivalent feelings about this," and the latter means "this makes/has made me unhappy or angry." :-/ is often a smirk, implying sarcasm. News group specific acronyms, undoubtedly woefully incomplete: from rec.motorcycles: DoD - Don't ask, at least not on the net. E-mail to anyone posting >3 articles to rec.motorcycles can probably help... Kot_ - "Keeper of the [blank]" WFO - "Wide F---ing Open" (referring to the throttle) cage - automobile cager - automobile driver/occupant BDI - Brain Dead Idiot (almost always referring to a cager) from news.groups, and elsewhere in net specific discussions RFD - Request For Discussion about a new/modified group charter CFV - Call For Votes on the creation/modification of a news group from rec.guns, talk.politics.guns, etc: RKBA - Right to Keep and Bear Arms (see US Constitution, Amendment II) TLx -- The Lovely x (said of one's SWMBO) Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.GreenNoSpam@NoSpamEast.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | "Without data, you're just another opinion." | | -Jim Clarke (Manager, engine controls Ford Motor Co.) | | | | | | Brian Curry, 1990 Blue K75RTs both coasts, Chester Springs, PA | | The 9.25 cents a minute guy, USA SoD #23 | | | | KGN- Improving Lives Around The World | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From "James M. Dodmead" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BMW: Speed The following site has a chart showing speed limits by state, separated by auto and trucks. I have no knowledge about its accuracy. Just good for planning trip routes, if you want to make miles. http://www.trucking.org/safety/speed_limit.html Best, Jim James M. Dodmead (Jim) Network Engineering and dodmeadNoSpam@NoSpamnetsww.com Technical Services (NETS), Inc. V 301.854.4945 14825 Burntwoods Road F 410.489.7508 Glenwood, MD 21738 USA From "Max C. McHatton" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 12:13:14 -0700 Subject: Re:(long) BMW: Honda versus BMW LARRY WILBERS wrote: > > I'm a new convert to Beemerism (7/19/97 due to spiritual contact with the 98 > K12RS), and find the BMW riders to be nit picking the new BMW bikes to death. > Having ridden Hondas, this is a new experience. In fact, yesterday I sat on a > Honda Blackbird at the dealership just because I would like to ride something > that is respected and not continuously picked apart. Its not as nice as the > K12, but the owners I've spoken with are excited about the bike and having > nothing but good to say about it. Same with the Honda VTR 1000, even though it > had more problems than the K12 when it was first introduced. > > While at the Honda Hoot this past summer, I participated in the Cycle World > ride. At the lunch break, one of the Cycle World writers offered to answer > questions. He received repeated heated questions concerning the magazines > criticism of the linked brake system. Honda riders are proud of their bikes > and generally have only positive things to say about them. > > No bike is perfect! All have their strengths a weaknesses. > > My experience with riding the K12RS has been nothing but positive and I much > prefer it over my previous Honda. However, owning the bike has been > uncomfortable as I find myself always defending it. For example, many people > have complained about the reach being too far to the bars. In fact, its less > than the Honda VFR 750 I traded in and a hell of a lot shorter that the > CBR1100XX. What gives? This is a sport touring bike, not a rocking chair. > > I intend a full review of the K12RS this winter with comments about previous > magazine reviews including the OTL article. > > LW Larry, I had Honda's, Yamaha's and Kawasaki's for over 15 years before I bought my first BMW (a 76 R90). I am a very technicaly oriented person, and therefore critical by nature. I find these common traits amongst BMW owners. Historicaly, BMW has paid more attention to detail than other manufacturers; (ie.. hand pin-striping verses decals;...)and BMW made itself a reputation by producing machines that were designed and made to last a long time, (ie... ball-bearings instesd of bushings, etc...). BMW had a philosophy that was different from that of the Japanese manufacturers. I believe that BMW has moved towards the japanese philosophy, in an attempt to capture a biger share of the market. I think that this change in BMW is viewed as a compromise of what made BMW unique. Many long time BMW riders, as a result of being critical by nature, and viewing BMW as having compromized its traditional commitment to quality, are not entirely happy with the newer machines. The new BMW's are good bikes, but they may not measure up to the "traditional" / old standards of BMW. I don't think we'd be happier with other brands. I think we would be happy if BMW returned to it's traditional philosophy. Max Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 07:38:03 -0600 From: "Rob Lentini" Subject: BMW: Re: BMW- re- "Oxygenated" Fu - ---------- > From: Phil Rupp > To: IBMWR ; Oilhead ; Rob Lentini ; unixguyNoSpam@NoSpamearthlink.net > Subject: Re: BMW- re- "Oxygenated" Fu > Date: Sunday, September 28, 1997 8:24 AM > > Reply to: RE>BMW: re: "Oxygenated" Fuel and Fuel Injected BMWs > > Okay, > Here's a thread I can pull on. > Is there any general information on gasoline manufactures additives, and > what manufacturer uses what, so's we all can have an idea about what > gasohol-less fuel to leave in the tank all winter (for us in the waste land of > the winter time north)? Most companies are pretty mum about their formulations. You might get some info out of them individually by calling their district office. > Or, any recommendation as to the ecclectic cocktail to attain in the tank > for winter storage? Gasahol or not, for those storing a bike through the winter the procedure is to fill the tank with fresh gas and add a bottle of Stabil (fuel stabilizer). You can get the stuff at most auto parts stores. regards, Rob Lentini Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:47:36 -0700 From: Mark Ketchum Subject: BMW: S.F. Chron on Moto commuting Folks, There's a front page article in today's (Monday's) San Francisco Chronicle, all about the pleasures of Motorcycle Commuting. There's good press for motorcycles in general, BMW's in particular, Kari Praeger, and the Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club. All the riders they interviewed are Beemerists! It starts out: "Sam Taylor sniffed the cool, fresh morning air, adjusted his Gore-Tex-lined Aerostich jumpsuit so that the suit and tie underneath wouldn't rumple and climbed aboard his pearl-silver BMW R1100 RS motorcycle. The 37-year-old stockbroker is one of thousands of Bay Area residents.." Find it at: http://www.sfgate.com, then click to Chronicle, to News, and to Commuter chronicles. My browser says the full address is http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/chronicle/article.cgi?file=MN13637.DTL&directo ry=/chronicle/archive/1997/09/29 Regards, ____________________________________ Mark Ketchum http://www.hooked.net/~mketchum Berkeley & San Francisco, California Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:39:42 -0400 From: "Baxter NAO02, John P" Subject: BMW: My Kind of Fun (was - The Strong vs. The Weak) To All, While loading the bike onto the pickup for the trek to Watkins for CSS last Wednesday, this guy's wife made a comment about bikes vs women (or maybe it was me?). My retort was that both were fun, but the bike took less committment with regard to maintenance; but more attention to routine use was required since this thing will bite you at every loss of attention and will kill you with impunity if it can, with no remorse, while it awaits it's next victim, mindless in it's mission to convey utmost pleasure. I said that I could shut the bike off with a key, and when removed, nobody else could move it. She replied that I should try dating again, perhaps I hadn't found the right woman! So when I got back I called a chic who has been bugging me for a date and I acquiesced Sunday. We had my kind of fun. Together. But I related to her that I was afraid of committments and explained the bike thing. Like Keith Code says, you only have $10 in this lifetime to spend on "traction", spend it wisely and don't get distracted. Today, coming home from work, beat after 4 weeks of being on the road with the BMW's, SHE was waiting on the stoop for some of "her kind of fun". Dinner and Committment. She had plans for me. Nothing has changed in all these years. I asked her for some privacy, since I was tired and beat. After her car turned away at the corner and a safe five minutes had passed, I put some garlic Sabbretts hot dogs in the frying pan with a bit of kraut, popped an ice cold brew, and breathed a sigh of relief. Then I gathered a new filter and four quarts of Castrol GTX 20W-50 for a needed change to make Whisper feel like new. The sun was fading as I lay on my back under the machine, buttoning things up, gazing in wonder at the underparts that you don't often see, and the pure functionality and attraction of what the designer had in mind. I was confident and momentarily in control of the present. The memory of Gary Appelbaum working on the sidestand of his ancient, but bought-new-in '72 BMW R60/5 in the high mountain Fontana gloaming, under the machine, caressing its parts, hands blackened with grease, beads of sweat ringing his Fransiscan Monkish brow, in complete confidence with his meager underseat toolkit, far from home but close to friends, the silence punctuated with grunts and ahhs, the exhaust notes of high compression twins far off but ever present and echoing within the bowl of the mountain cusp , warmed me to the experience of the totality which can be had ...... that good feeling , which is a mixture of a misty photographic exposure snapped by the mind and tossed in with the routine of things familiar. It just crept in. That exposure will not fade for me for a long, long time to come. After reading Tony's excerpt from Ayn Rand's work (Atlas Shrugged) tonight, this all made sense somehow. Again, thanks yooze guyz for the Fontana experience. Magical. And DO get a copy of Code's Twist of the Wrist II. So much technical cornering info that after his Level 2 School it (the book) overwhelms me TOTALLY. Putting things in perspective beforehand makes reading the book so much more of an awareness experience (forget skimming here, you chew and chew on every word!!!) How such words and techno understanding of mind and machine could be assembled into one work is incredible!! I will be doing an article on my experience with Code's Schools and CLASS for Steve Coburn's OilRag in the near furtive. HA! Best to All of Yooze Guyz and Galz!! John. John B. Portsmouth, VA 1995 R1100R "Whisper" 1974 R90/6 "Old Black Dog" >---------- >From: Tony Toglia >Sent: Friday, September 26, 1997 7:56 PM >To: RossStudioNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com; chrisNoSpam@NoSpamblazie.com; psotropNoSpam@NoSpamgte.net; Baxter NAO02, >John P; stevebNoSpam@NoSpamvoicenet.com; waynehNoSpam@NoSpamvoicenet.com; TabaskoNoSpam@NoSpamwserv.com; >garyNoSpam@NoSpamyoda.jhuapl.edu >Subject: The Strong vs. The Weak > > >This is an interesting perspective on the value of ideas. >However, I must warn you that it is considered quite >controversial by those with socialistic tendancies.... > >T > > > "Look past the range of the moment, you who cry > that you fear to compete with men of superior > intelligence, that their mind is a threat to your > livelihood, that the strong leave no chance to the > weak in a market of voluntary trade. What > determines the material value of your work? Nothing > but the productive effort of your mind / if you lived > on a desert island. The less efficient the thinking of > your brain, the less your physical labor would bring > you / and you could spend your life on a single > routine, collecting a precarious harvest or hunting > with bow and arrows, unable to think any further. But > when you live in a rational society, where men are > free to trade, you receive an incalculable bonus: the > material value of your work is determined not only by > your effort, but by the effort of the best productive > minds who exist in the world around you.... > "Every man is free to rise as far as he's able or > willing, but it's only the degree to which he thinks that > determines the degree to which he'll rise. Physical > labor as such can extend no further than the range of > the moment. The man who does no more than > physical labor, consumes the material > value-equivalent of his own contribution to the > process of production, and leaves no further value, > neither for himself nor others. But the man who > produces an idea in any field of rational endeavor / > the man who discovers new knowledge / is the > permanent benefactor of humanity. Material products > can't be shared, they belong to some ultimate > consumer; it is only the value of an idea that can be > shared with unlimited numbers of men, making all > sharers richer at no one's sacrifice or loss, raising the > productive capacity of whatever labor they perform. > It is the value of his own time that the strong of the > intellect transfers to the weak, letting them work on > the jobs he discovered, while devoting his time to > further discoveries. This is mutual trade to mutual > advantage; the interests of the mind are one, no > matter what the degree of intelligence, among men > who desire to work and don't seek or expect the > unearned. > "In proportion to the mental energy he spent, the > man who creates a new invention receives but a > small percentage of his value in terms of material > payment, no matter what fortune he makes, no > matter what millions he earns. But the man who > works as a janitor in the factory producing that > invention, receives an enormous payment in > proportion to the mental effort that his job requires of > him. And the same is true of all men between, on all > levels of ambition and ability. The man at the top of > the intellectual pyramid contributes the most to all > those below him, but gets nothing except his material > payment, receiving no intellectual bonus from others > to add to the value of his time. The man at the bottom > who, left to himself, would starve in his hopeless > ineptitude, contributes nothing to those above him, but > receives the bonus of all of their brains. Such is the > nature of the 'competition' between the strong and > the weak of the intellect. Such is the pattern of > 'exploitation' for which you have damned the strong." > (Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged). > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:59:19 -0700 From: Sam Lepore Subject: BMW: BMW riders make up 20% of MCN subscribers Interesting tid bit in current Motorcycle Consumer News. A fellow writes in to MCN "I think you guys have too many articles on BMWs, which make up a small portion of the new cycle sales in the USA." Their answer: Actually, there are two very good reasons why you've seen so many BMWs in MCN recently. The first is that BMW has been in the forefront in producing new and technologically innovative motorcycles in the past couple of years. That's news. The second is that rather than trying to appeal to the entire spectrum of motorcyclists equally, we try to concentrate on the rather special "hard core" motorcyclists that make up MCN's readership. And demographic surveys we've conducted show that though BMWs only make up 2%-3% of the bikes sold in the US, BMW owners make up over 20% of MCN's total subscribers. _________________________ Sam Lepore, San Francisco Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:39:02 -0400 From: "Pat Roddy" Subject: BMW: Hey, it is not winter yet! OK, I'll come clean. I resubbed 2 days ago, logged on tonite to 400+ messages, and only found a couple worth reading (helicopter stuff and our Aussie friend with a K1100LT wanting suggestions to trick it up). The Fontana thread is still going strong, there was a spooge question that will prolly get plenty of suggestions (hey, use Honda Moly 60!), a few snuck in their favorites for baseballs' playoffs (although I live in Braves-land, I am still on strike. I have yet to watch one inning since the strike-the louts). I have no use for multimillionaires who just play a friggin' game screaming for mo' money. A few interesting posts about electric vests caught my eye. I sold my unused Eclipse vest last month (too big), and was planning on getting an Unobtanium from the 'Stich folks. But man, there is some shit going on that I usually don't see until the grip of winter has squeezed the genitals of our northern presidents' dry. I mean, after these guys and gals have gone 4 months without taking a ride, it gets rough around here; but what is the excuse now? It ain't winter yet! :-) We have T-Mia in the white trunks in one corner and the San Franciscan in black trunks in the other corner. If the West Coaster had any idea about Terry he'd know one thing-T-Mia can turn on his computer without his hand being held, but that's about it. Hey Terry! No malice intended, but when I saw this guy accusing you of unsubbing and re-subbing HIM when you have to have John O. walk you through it every time you change providers I knew he was tacking on a bastard breeze :-) Now the racial thread is back again too. Oh what fun. It rears its' ugly head every so often and just pisses people off without ever making any headway. Only fools discuss that, religion or politics publicly. For myself, I've been off in California recently taking care of some family business. It was not a happy time either. The bright light was Butch Hayes calling me and inviting me to dinner. Unfortunately, I could not meet him because I had to catch an earlier flight than I intended. I also recently, just days ago, came very very close to hanging up my helmet. Yeah, you read it right. An 'outsider' made me a helluva an offer for both my bikes, the K11LT and the R100GS. I almost sold them to him, including the 'Stich, X-9 Shoei, boots, gloves, tankbags, the whole works. Could I do that? Those of you who know me well probably think not. But I walked away from 15 years of flying balloons, something I genuinely loved, ate, breathed and lived with daily. Sold everything, three balloons, a cherry chase vehicle (I hedged a little, still owning a basket, burner, tanks and instruments), but I don't miss it a bit. I miss my fellow pilots I flew with and against in competitions all over the US, but the flying itself I don't miss. I probably could do the same with riding. 29 years of it-with only a few broken collarbones (on dirt bikes-never have put one down on the streets). Cut my losses, thank God I rode that long and far and fast without a scratch, and move on. I quit commuting two months ago. I cannot even force myself to ride into Atlanta anymore during rush hour. It used to be fun. Now, just getting to the onramp 1.1 mile from my driveway is an exercise in the absurd. Between the idiots eating, reading, talking on the phone, putting on their makeup and jewelry, checking the stock quotes in the paper, watching TV, breastfeeding infants; I finally realized the extreme danger I was putting myself in every morning and decided to cut my chances of becoming carrot-man in a local neurosurgical ICU bed. Carrot-men do not enjoy life. I now commute in my truck, still trying to use my "there is no room for emotions at speed" philosophy, smiling at all the idiots and their foolish antics on the roadways, but it is getting harder to do. I never let myself get upset while on two wheels. I would mentally fight it, block it, and roll on. That ability to stonewall my mind, focus on the one thing at hand, is eroding. Years of working in surgery and flying in heavy competition taught me to focus and eradicate every other thought process other than what is at hand now. But sometimes, as I creep along in bumper to bumper traffic, whether at 5 or 85 mph, my edge over all the cretins out there isn't as sharp as it used to be. And I find myself wanting to strike out at all the loons who can't signal a lane change, who speed down the emergency lanes when traffic has all but stopped, the morons who miss an exit, slam on their brakes and back up on the freeway. I am glad I now keep the Glock in my safe. Man, what I could do to make the gene pool healthier if I lived out a fantasy or two. I know that when a person in a high risk sport such as ours feels he or she is losing the edge, it is time to back off. It is time to take a break. Or it is time to walk away. I took the GS out yesterday for the first time in a month. The K has been silent since Larry Fears and I went to terrorize Mike and Demi Nolan weeks ago. I rode to my favorite hangout-Buford Dam on the southern end of Lake Lanier. It was a pleasant ride, the weather was absolutely perfect. Clear blue skies, a strong cooling breeze blowing off the length of the lake, nothing but a few sailboats out on the water. Several fisherman far below me did nothing but drown bait, and across the road, several hundred feet below me, the frigid Chattahoochee River gained speed through the spillways and drifted into the setting sun. And I did something very uncharacteristic-I rode the speed limits to and from the lake. Well, maybe 5 over, but I eased through the corners instead of hitting them hard, and the airhead, an altogether different breed of bike than the K, still continues to please me and just purred along. Glad I had on a sweatshirt even though the bank sign said 76 degrees. It sure wasn't 76 on the unfaired GS. So I sit here and wonder what to do. I am off the rest of the week, the curse of being a part timer. Do I go out and run the Blue Ridge 500 mile course, being held this weekend, just for kicks? No, I don't think so. I just don't have a 12 hour, 500 mile day in me right now. Do I send a message to Majordomo and reslubscribe? No, I don't think so. Not yet, anyway. I cannot remember when in the last 4 years the signal/noise ratio has been quite this high. Do I call the fella who wants everything of my motorcycle 'world' all in one neat, well kept and maintained package? No, I don't think so. I am out of nails right now. None around here to hang up anything at the moment. pr unsubbed From: "Alan Wagner" To: Subject: Re: R1100RTH Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:05:30 -0400 H are the bikes with heated Grips and top bag ---------- > From: Thomas Hundt > To: alanNoSpam@NoSpamrent-a-wreck.com > Subject: BMW: R1100RTH > Date: Friday, October 03, 1997 2:37 PM > > > What's the "H" stand for? > > thx > > -Tom Hundt Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:45:10 -0500 (CDT) From: viper655NoSpam@NoSpamix.netcom.com (Dr.Robert A. Harms) Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Mis-spellings You wrote: > > >In a message dated 97-10-07 01:51:25 EDT, Tom wrote: > ><< OK, I gotta go do some work. They don't pay me to write fluff. >> > >Ok, ___I___ gotta speak up here. First of all typos while having limited >time would likely account for many errors, the underlying information may >still be of value. > >Secondly, some of us may be appealing to a source of humor and you may be >opening the book to the second chapter. > >Thirdly, some of us juz can't spell. Personaly, I have no problem taking >advise from someone who has more experience with repairs/riding/ect. than >spell checkers. > > VIC WARUSZEWSKI, SoD # 21 VI #1 MOA 85K100RS > BMW Touring Club of Detroit #1 Motor City Beemers > Team K-Basa http://pages.prodigy.com/bmwtcd > > My opinions are my own. > They'll hunt you down like, ... well like the dog you are. > FYI Lewis Terman (as I recall the developer of the Stanford Binet I Q Test) conducted a nearly life long study called The Study of Genius in which he and his assocaites tracked genius level children throughout their entire lives. Very interesting study of which I have forgotten most of the tenets with the exception of the fact that he found no correlation at all --zip-zero-nada between intelligence and spelling ability. Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:15:21 -0400 (EDT) From: TymekNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Subject: Re: BMW: carrying stuff on m/c Carring the bow, no problem, get hard case and fix a way to mount it either flat or standing on edge, with the long dimension running parallel with the bike. Don't get the longest case you can get the shortest, them dam bow cases are always to long. Want to carry more bows? Stack em, or go to long bows, much more fun to shoot, and a plastic sewer pipe, cut to length makes a dandy case. I have done both, and it can be done, gotta remember ya got a long tail behind the bike though. Now the deer, once again no problem, one of those deer slides( its a sheet of thick plastic, with holes all around) works great for maybe a mile or so, never used one any farther. I have tried to load dead deer on a bike and it can be done, but the best way I have found is to, gut, skin, quarter, leaving ribs, skin , head and whatever else you don't want for the coyotes. Now some one who hasn't done this might thing it would take for ever, well 30 minutes tops, and you might think you need a huge ice chest, but no, after you have reduced the deer this far it will easily fit in a standard ice chest, I use a vinyl lined duffel bag that I bought at army surplus for $2. Once I do get it to an ice chest, and outa the duffel bag, I cover it with ice and leave the drain plug open, checking it and keeping ice on it for about three days, then I debone it about another half hours work, and its in the freezer. O your worried about the head, well if your going for a shoulder mount, ya gotta bring it out, but if you just want the horns, providing it has any, I carry a hatchet and with a few deft blows the portion of the skull can be chipped away, much easier than sawing, imo. I know all this can be done for a fact, it can be done in the snow, ice, 85 degree weather, rain, one thing about hunting in Louisiana, you never know what the climate will be when you kill the thing. good luck, Terry Meek Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:29:54 -0700 From: Sam Lepore Subject: Re: BMW: V**vo word Tom Coradeschi wrote: > > Volvo carries no negative connotation on list servers, but on motorcycle > lists (and car lists), well, Volvo is pretty damn negative, no? It's just > an evolution, I guess (evolution of what, I have no idea)... My, my, my. How QUICKLY we all forget. The "V**vo word" is called the V**VO word because of exactly the circumstance you all just witnessed. As soon as anyone mentions it, diarrhea follows. Sixteen *count 'em - 16* messages in one day about V**vos, without even a single obligatory 'no BMW'. Last January we had a similar cage-o-mania about the same brand until one of the administrators put a filter in place to wipe out the thread. THAT'S why the "Volvo word" refers to, uh, that other thing we'd rather not see on the list. _________________________ Sam Lepore, San Francisco Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:28:23 +0000 From: Court Fisher Subject: BMW: Re: German[& other Euro] BMW dealer(s) >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:26:51 -0500 >From: Timothy Graichen >Subject: BMW: German BMW dealer and parts > >For anybody interested in a BMW dealership in Germany, the following has been great >for getting me accessories (BMW helmets etc.). They are glad to ship to the U.S. I >found them while I was in Munich last spring. > >NACHTMANN BMW >Sabine Nachtmann (owner) >Hans-Mielich-Strasse 2 >81543 Munchen >Germany >Phone: 011-49-8965-2093 >- -- >Billet Aluminum Cam Caps and Oil Fill Caps for Oil-Heads (at link below) >Homepage http://w3.gwis.com/~topgun/index.htm >E-Mail topgunNoSpam@NoSpamgwis.com >------------------------------ Tim & list, And Nachtmann's fax number is +49/89 6519440. There is an annual BMW-published directory of all European BMW car & bike dealers, including address, tel & fax numbers. It's called 'BMW Service-Stationen Europa,' and is available as a standard BMW part order from any authorized dealer, BMW part no. 01 99 9 787 367.d [for the most recent 04/97 edition]. Don't confuse this with the separate motorcycle dealer-only directory [part no. 01 99 9 798 678] published by BMW's Motorcycle Division, which is also useful, but does not include fax numbers. Most German, and other European (including UK), dealers are happy to deal with North American customers for 'Euro-only' parts. All Euro dealers are accessible by tel or fax, and a trickle (mostly UK) also have email/website access. The printed BMW Euro dealer directories haven't started to include net access yet. Court Fisher Princeton NJ all the usual suspect acronyms court.fisherNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:05:33 -0500 From: Jerry Cook Subject: BMW: OILRAG & R1100 mail group info This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------7FC4460036D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There were some comments about a week ago about the lateness of the Oilrag. I saw Steve Coburn at the haloween campout and he said they went out in the mail last week (wed.) I dont have mine yet but they should be here soon. The Oilrag is quarterly at the present time. probably will remain for a while. Steve said the next issue should be in the mail before march Daytona Bike week. I have included info on subscribing for any new folks cheers - -- Jerry Cook Airhead/Oilhead ready to RUMBLE with either side! - --------------7FC4460036D4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <34592D23.7FC1NoSpam@NoSpamsgate.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:58:11 -0500 From: Jerry Cook Reply-To: cookjeroNoSpam@NoSpamsgate.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ingemar.luttuNoSpam@NoSpamtull.lin.lio CC: jfbrownNoSpam@NoSpamccgate.hac.com Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: BMW: is there a r1100rs =?iso-8859-1?Q?list=BF=5D=5D?= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2C5336F94C84" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------2C5336F94C84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the oilheads. I recommend the magazine/newsletter quarterly published by Steve Coburn 50-60 pages advertisers , articles, help, etc. You can Write an intro letter about yourself and your bike what you like and dont like what you do etc. accessories you have or would like to see. I bought all the back issues (approx 14 NoSpam@NoSpam $3 each if you like to read and get history)> get the last 2-3 issues and you can get a lot of info. There is a web page but i dont have it here. not a lot there wexcept how to subscribe TO get to the oilheads mail group send message to majordomoNoSpam@NoSpamcinnamon.com (in the body of the message type) subscribe bmw-r1100 or subscribe bmw-r1100-digest (you will receive instructions quickly via e- mail) DO NOT PUT ANYTHING IN THE SUBJECT AREA! ONLY IN THE BODY OF THE MESSAGE The word subscribe will dump your mail welcome and talk to you there TOP INTERNATIONAL OILHEADS CLUB Send $15(US) for the OilRag Newsletter to this address. $20 for Overseas delivery the spring issue is the latest and its even got my picture in it and two articles I wrote. you could do it too as long as your not any prettier than I am. PO BOX 8081 Charlottesville, Virginia 22906-8081 USA> Phone 804-974-7069> Everybody Join up its fun its quality You can even get published. Cheers Jerry Cook - -- Jerry Cook Airhead/Oilhead ready to RUMBLE with either side! Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:32:29 +0100 From: Robert Entenman Subject: BMW: Re: Moral Compass (no BMW) Steve Lynch wrote: Yes, let's all be responsible for our actions. Let's all follow our internal, moral compass and when that fails to conform to society's laws, let's take our punishment unless we can figure out a way to get out of it. ===== I have a real problem with the final bit of this opinion, despite my libertarian tendencies in most things. And that is simply this: what laws do you decide you're willing for yourself and others to "get out of"'? Evidently for you, speeding is okay; for another vehicular murder is, if a cager kills a biker yet escapes (like the recent post from the Northeast). I live in a part of the world that within recent memory has seen elected goverments go well beyond the consensus compass. How do you justify an opinion that essentially absolves anyone of anything, "if we can figure a way to get out of it"? Moreover, in a culture like America's, where the politics of envy seem increasingly to justify someone just taking what he wants (and others to arm themselves in defense), where Charles feels it appropriate to point out a good Samaritan is as likely to get attacked as thanked, I wonder about relativistic moral compasses. It leads directly to one of America's greatest cultural problems, namely the sense that no one is guilty, no one is responsible, no one is accountable. And to it's corollary, threatened loss of true individual freedoms due to zero tolerance from others, ie. you must adopt my moral compass about individual issues (not those that need not affect others generally, eg. sex, drugs, drink, abortion, smoking). When one has broken the law, fine, one knows it's the law. When one has no particular reason other than selfishness to disobey the law (ie. no moral justification for supposing it's unfair, or in most cases, unfairly applied), take the pain, accept the ticket. Fair cop, guv. Otherwise the next joyriding youth who jumps a curb and kills the kid on the sidewalk (happened some weeks ago) says well, I was just exercising my right to figure out a way to get away with it. Of course everyone draws his own line, but my tolerance ends when you exercising your freedoms threatens the right of others to enjoy theirs. High speed (twice other users' in this case) on public roads is dangerous, reckless driving is dangerous. Take it to the track. PS This is not meant to flame anyone individually, but to express concerns that, as an expatriate American, I feel/hear about and, in fact, am occasionally asked to explain to bemused/bewildered 'foreigners'. Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:01:26 -0700 (MST) From: D&J Subject: BMW: Re: glad to read all the friendly notes! >I am constantly amazed at the immature comments in reference to this >stupid Walt message. I joined for information sharing and to meet new >people and hopefully a few friends. Instead, all I see is a bunch of >bickering, name calling, and general disrespect towards law enforcement, >the military, hell its really anyone you guys disagree with! Thanks for >the few tidbits of info, but I think Ill look elsewhere for more mature >audiences. > >Reid Milligan >Lt, USN Well Reid, I don't know who you are. Have you been on this list very long? A lot of us have been on here for several years and we enjoy giving each other a hard time in a friendly way. Quite a few of us see one another face to face at rallies every year and so if real conflicts arise we are pretty good at apologizing to one another and working things out so that fists don't fly whenever we meet in person. I am being especially careful about this right now because most of the people on this list will be coming to Missoula next year for the MOA's national rally and if I piss them off here on the list they will beat the shit out of me when they get here. Back to your problem: If you walk into a room where a party has been in swing for quite awhile, do you expect it to be the kind of party you want it to be or do you expect it to be whatever it is? And, if it turns out not to be your sort of gathering do you think everyone but you is wrong, and that it is your place to point this out to them? Sounds a trifle arrogant to me. Would you really do this to a group of people in person? Or do you feel free to say your little piece and stomp angrily out of the room just because you are safely hidden away behind your computer? Remember, you are talking to real people here. Just because you can't see them doesn't change that. Imagine that you are walking into the wardroom when you log on here. A lot of the people on this list are vastly senior to you (and me) in terms of their motorcycling experience and in terms of what they have accomplished in their lives. A lot are quite junior. It's rude and presumptuous for you to insult them and then run away because they are talking about something you don't want to talk about. And remember, some of these people are bikers. Not everyone here is a lawyer or doctor. A few have come to BMW riding from backgrounds that included being outlaws and one-percenters. They were into selling drugs and women and stealing bikes, when they weren't busy killing one another. They are doing the best they can. They will not take kindly to your pointing out what you see as their failings in such a public way. As for being immature, there you are dead wrong. If you are in fact a regular lieutenant in the Navy and not just a weekend warrior, then I know you are probably in your thirties. Believe me, that makes you a really young and immature guy on this list. Now *acting* immaturely is another matter. Some of us are into our second childhood and acting immaturely is one of the few pleasures life has left to us. Stick around. You might learn something, and make a few friends. I hope we don't have to have these little chats too often. Lieutenant Commander Dick Taylor, U. S. Coast Guard, Retired - Classy Guy hetchinsNoSpam@NoSpammontana.com Live and lean Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:25:17 -0500 From: James Colburn Subject: BMW: Congratulations Chris/No BMW I'd like to be the first on-line to congratulate fellow President Chris Kleponis. I gave him his first Time Magazine assignment last week and he aced it SO well that one of his photos graces the cover of this week's magazine (a smiling Alan Greenspan.) Jim Colburn (aka james.colburnNoSpam@NoSpampressroom.com) "I am willing to make mistakes as long as someone else is willing to learn from them." Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:10:49 From: Dennis & Karen Withner Subject: BMW: Re: The Full Monty >From: "Bob Smith" > If I remember correctly, during WW II there was an occasion that some >of the press reporters caught General Montgomery in the buff. Hence from >that day forward when one was caught nude, it was referred to as a Full >Monty. Perhaps this is the origin of the "Monty Python Flying Circus" And, did they ride BMW's? (content) Dennis Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:42:54 -0500 From: "Ian Schmeisser" Subject: BMW: Re: Fwd: Very Important Information about Canadian BMS MC Dealers Sorry for the choppy fowarded message... I haven't seen this on the IBMWR list, so I hope I haven't just wasted bandwidth. This is a very serious situation, I have copied my comments to the BMW Canadian Distributor below. We should be flooding these guys with e-mail. See below... we could be next. Ian Schmeisser Atlanta, GA USA - -----Original Message----- From: DayglomacNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com To: thelineNoSpam@NoSpambmwoga.org Date: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 6:40 AM Subject: BMWOGA: Fwd: Very Important Information > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: Ed_JorgensenNoSpam@NoSpamcompuserve.com (Ed Jorgensen) >Sender: Ed_JorgensenNoSpam@NoSpamcompuserve.com (Ed Jorgensen) >To: DayglomacNoSpam@NoSpamAOL.COM (DayglomacNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com) >Date: 97-11-19 00:08:45 EST > >Thanks Mac. > >BMW News from the InterNet: > > >On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Colin >Sutton wrote: >The following is very disturbing news >I have just recently received. It is >in the best interest of everyone who >owns a BMW motorcycle in North America >to read this information. > >Our >dealer called and told us last night about the fact that they will >cease to >be a BMW Dealer as of December 31, 1997. This was not a decision >on their >part, but a decision by BMW Canada to remove dealership status >from almost >all of its representatives as a "corproate restructuring >strategy". This >has left our dealer in a very distraught way. They've >known about this for >two weeks, but last night was the first they could >talk about it without >getting sick. This dealership is very much a family >operation, and this >move takes away everything they've worked towards. > >Only ten dealers will >be left to service all of Canada. This is >geographically VERY inconvenient! > For myself, it means a 12-hour ride to >the nearest dealer if I'm going to >have authorized warranty repair work >done within Canada. The local dealers >can function as BMW repair >technicians until their mechanic's licenses run >out (until 2000), but their > work will not be authorized as Warranty work. > Also, they will not be >allowed to purchase their parts direct from BMW as >before, but they must >purchase the parts from one of the authorized dealers, >adding another layer >of markup to the price, and therefore increasing the >price to us, the >consumer. > >This work was all done by an American that BMW >Canada hauled across the >border to do their hatchet job. I've heard that a >dealer in the Toronto >area (likely McBride's Cycle - I don't think it was >Wolf's) was left >holding the bag with about 40 new units on their showroom >floor. This is >happening all across Canada. There are supposed to be ten >dealers left in >Canada - three in Quebec, three in Ontario, and the rest >out west. The >closest dealership to serve all of the Atlantic Provinces >will be Vanier in > Quebec, the ones who were at the "RA in Quebec". I don't >know what the >distribution of dealers will be west of Ontario. > >This is >not premium customer service or good public relations to shut down >an >authorized BMW dealer. > >I believe their intention is to eventually move >the motorcycle service to >their car dealerships. I have not actually >received any confirmation of >that statement, it is only a rumour that I've >heard before. This is not >good in my opinion. First of all, the >motorcycles will always take a >second priority to the cars for sales and >service, as they are lower ticket > price items, and probably viewed as >little more than a nuisance by most >car dealers. Also, if the car >dealerships were really interested in doing >both, they'd be doing them >already, right? I have a BMW that is 17 years >old, and I'd trust it a lot >more in the hands of the person who's been >servicing her since she was >bought new and knows that bike inside-out, >backwards and upside-down than >some joker who was just fired through the >BMW training course and has no (or >limited) practical experience with the >bikes. > >Why is this of importance >to American BMW owners? This very same hatchet >man is going back to the >states in January to do the exact same thing >there. > >Check with your >local shops to see if they know anything about this, and if >they're going to >be one of the "survivors". If it's anything like what's >happened here, >probably not. > >For those in Canada who wish to respond to BMW's move in >writing, the >address is: > > Mr. Edward A. Robinson > > President, BMW Canada Inc. > 920 Champlain Court > > Whitby, Ontario > L1N 6K9 > >Visit their feedback form on the >website by pointing your web browser at: > > > http://www.bmw.ca/mailform.html > >I couldn't find an e-mail address >for BMW Canada directly off their Web >Site, but the e-mail form on their web >site is close enough (the document >source references a CGI script and not an >e-mail address.). > >All in all, a very disturbing move on BMW's part. I >don't know how much >impact a letter-writing campaign will have here in >Canada, since they've >already made their decision and acted accordingly (or >is it "acted >appallingly"?), it would be very difficult for them to attempt >to salvage >the situation and save face, but our displeasure in this >situation should >still be noted! > >Americans, take note - the hatchet-man >cometh, and he intends on axing your >local dealerships. Voice your >displeasure now! > >Colin Sutton > >Nova Scotia BMW Riders #40, There is an e-mail making the rounds on the Internet BMW Riders mailing list that claims that BMW of Canada is removing the dealership status from the majority of Canadian motorcycle dealers as part of a corporate restructuring strategy. According to the e-mail, the strategy is to channel motorcycle business to BMW automobile dealerships. Also according to the e-mail, the effort is being led by an American person who intends to return to the US and do the same thing here, beginning in 1998. Please be advised that I find this practice highly objectionable. Right now, I am planning a trip to Alaska next year and am contemplating the purchase of a new R1100 GS because I would like to have the peace of mind that the warranty and a new bike provide. However, if there are only ten dealerships left to provide warranty service to all of Canada (as the e-mail claims) why should I make this investment? Lastly, if the same practice is, in fact, going to occur in the United States, BMW NA can count on me to sell both of my BMW motorcycles and purchase Hondas. Ian Schmeisser Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:24:59 GMT From: Cynthia.MiltonNoSpam@NoSpamUK.Sun.COM (Cynthia Milton - Telco Platforms Group Slough) Subject: BMW: North American and UK BMW Owners Read This! An interesting read. A similar sort of thing appears to be happening in the UK. Broadly speaking, the bike dealers fall into two categories: "proper" bike shops where you can have a cuppa and buy non-BMW odds and sods, get advice etc.; and the dealerships which may or may not be combined with car dealerships - park your nasty dirty motorbike round the back, no part-ex on anything over 2 years or 5000 miles, no parts in stock, no non-BMW bits (not even tax disc holders or fuel pipe by the yard). The (very helpful and knowledgeable) dealer in Solihull recently split because BMW wanted him to double in size and spend over 10k GBP to "smarten up". All we customers were happy with him. Another old-established dealer (I've been using them for 25 years) is being threatened. One car/bike dealer has recently (allegedly) approached The Journal of The BMW Club claiming to represent dealers who are threatening to withdraw their advertising unless the independents cease to advertise grey imports. Is that enough? Cynthia Milton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:38:39 From: Dave Thompson Subject: Re: BMW:North American BMW Owners Read This! At 04:25 PM 11/20/97 -0400, Richard Ward wrote: > [>] Will Safford said: > >> A few thoughts come to mind about the Canadian situation: Has anybody *confirmed* yet that almost all Canadian dealers are having their franchises yanked away? I don't mean to offend others on this list, but uncomfirmed rumors have been started and promulgated before, whether innocently or otherwise. -If it is the case, BMW must have a plan for replacing them, since I assume that BMW isn't giving up on the Canadian market. Does anyone know anything about that? > Yes, Colin Sutton and I (Richard Ward) can confirm this. I in >fact had a long 18 minute long distance chat... > The rumours were earlier in the year that Pro Cycle in >Nova Scotia was dropping their BMW line, leaving the dealership in >Moncton, New Brunswick to service the entire Atlantic Provinces area. >Now our nearest dealer will be/may be in Quebec City or Montreal, >Quebec. Bad enought for me but consider the guys in PEI and Nova Scotia >who need service. > We have no info on replacement dealers; there is only one BMW >car dealer in the Maritime Provinces; it is in Halifax, Nova Scotia. >Maybe our NS comrades can check them out in regards to this. > Dave Thompson: Pro Cycle in Dartmouth (Halifax) is no longer a BMW dealer after 31 Dec 97. That is NOT a rumour. It's fact. Apparently a disagreement over some test equipment, but I have to wonder if Pro had some advance intuition about restructuring. There has been a persistent rumour within the NS clubs that the Halifax BMW car dealer will be dealing bikes sometime in the future, but that is no more than wishful thinking at this point. As I said in an earlier post, my closest Canadian BMW Authorized Motorcycle dealer will be 700 miles away. Doubt that I'll buy many bikes from him, regardless of how good he may be, and I understand he is a good dealer. He was the dealer of record at RAin Quebec last summer. Some history...I started with 49th Cavalry, my local BMW dealer in 1982. He was turfed by BMW when the K bikes were introduced. A disagreement about special tools for the Ks was supposedly the cause of that one. Then, (1985) Bluenose BMW was awarded the franchise. They were dropped when BMW found Pro Cycle (~1988-1990). So...I've been down this road with BMW three times now. I'm really not impressed. Nice bikes, really stinking corporate attitude. No consideration for their customers. They built the Company one customer at a time, and will possibly lose it the same way. That Concours is looking better and better. Cheers, Dave T. '85 K100 (But I don't whine!) ***From Beautiful Berwick, Nova Scotia*** GOB #14 *** The Apple Capital of the World *** Do it right - Do it once... Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:51:52 -0500 From: Brian Curry Subject: Re: BMW: K100 runs on diesel At 10:08 AM 11/24/97 -0800, Wendell_GurleyNoSpam@NoSpamnotes.toyota.com wrote: > >Wendell GurleyNoSpam@NoSpamTOYOTA >11/24/97 10:08 AM > >Ok, seeking advice on a problem created by my own stupidity. Gas station >was jammed with cars, so I squeezed into one open bay....one side diesel, >the other premium. Yep, I pumped two gallons of diesel before I realized >it. Since it was dark and I was late getting home, I decided not to try >and pull off the tank and empty it. I pumped 2.7 gallons of the premium on >top of the diesel and tried to ride it home. Cough, fart, smoke bomb, etc. >then it did run fairly well and got me 30 miles home. There I topped off >with premium again to dilute the mixture. Will this destroy any injectors, >hurt the engine, etc. The fuel oil seems to be slightly more combustible >than water, and the K has been very sensitive to bad gas before, but I >don't know if running out this tank will cause any problems? Has anyone >had this "experience?" You are right. Diesel is better than water. :):) The rub is that it really does not want to vaporize and then burn. The gas is the flame carrier. IMO, this is guess based on some rudimentary knowledge, you can burn it off. But you will have about 200 miles of really ugly running. I would not try top end runs either. I would want to keep combustion chamber pressures down. Try to run as much out as you can, if your run it out. Then refuel for max dilution. I doubt very much if it will affect the rubber and plastic bits. Gas and Diesel are both petroleum products. You might thing seriously of pumping it out, and into the cage. How to pump it? The easy way. Slide the tank back so you can get at the fuel pump discharge line. Disconnect it. Connect up some line that will go to either a gas can or over to the cage gas filler. NO SMOKING AT THIS POINT! Remove fuse 6. Connect a jumper from the Battery plus terminal to the Fuse 6 right side contact. This energizes the pump and pumps out the tank. Eaiser than lifting it off eh? Guessing that you might be in California, CARB will not be too happy. But I would not expect the Diesel to poison the catalyst. Many years back Phil Funnel suggested just this if you were back in the boonies and running out of fuel. If you found some construction equipment that ran on diesel, get some fuel out of it. It would run, not so hot, but it is better than walking. And it you only had a little gas, keep it running as the diesel was not going to like to vaporize when it was cold, the next morning..... Good luck. And be more careful on which nozzle you pick next time. ;);) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | To infuse moral concepts into a political discussion is simply to | | confuse the issue.... Morality is not involved in achieving policy. | | - William Fulbright 1959 | | | | Brian Curry, 1990 Blue K75RTs both coasts, Chester Springs, PA, USA | | SoD #23 | | | | KGN- Improving Lives Around The World | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:45:38 -0500 From: Gene Pawlowic Subject: BMW: Spunky Young Lady I have a friend who is doing what a lot of us sometimes just dream of doing. Due to the thoughtfulness of her ex-husband in wanting a divorce, she has sold off all her belongings, relinquished the apartment, given up the car and now travels extremely lightly by bike and a tent trailer. The open road is now her home and as Blanche in "A Street Car Called Desire" she is depending on the "kindness of strangers" (and also of friends). Currently she is in Sutherland Va. and will shortly be leaving for friends in New Berry, South Carolina. Her ultimate destination is Arizona or somewhere there abouts. She will be taking the southern routes to advoid this "wonderful" cool, rainy weather we've been having. Her path may cross yours and I would really appreciate if the opportunity presents itself that you could offer a friendly cup of coffee. We have given her the 1-800 number from BMW-MOA to leave and pick up messages. Her name is Terry May. You could leave a message for her there or with us and we will pass it on. Thanks! :-) Sylvia R/90 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 05:02:40 +0000 From: Court Fisher Subject: BMW: Re: Why BMW builds bikes, etc. >Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:44:49 -0500 >From: William Safford <73760.3533NoSpam@NoSpamcompuserve.com> >Subject: BMW: Re: Why BMW builds bikes, etc... > > > All of this stuff is public historical record; most is available > > in various BMW publications. > >Could you list a few recommendations? > >TIA. > >- --Will Safford >------------------------------ Will, The BMW Story--A Company in its Time (1916-1972), by Horst Monnich [847 pages, 1995 (?)] (You need to be a glutton for punishment to wade through the length and tortured prose of this; but it's 'all' there) BMW--A company in its time [104 pages; glossy summary of above book; 1997, order no. BAK-09-069] both available from Penta Print Bingener Strasse 30 D-80993 Munich Germany tel +49/89 14 98 96 60 fax +49/89 14 98 96 30 or ask a BMW car or bike dealer if either shows up on the 'parts list' (that's a long shot); 'Automobile Quarterly' a hardcover magazine's July 1997 issue is devoted to BMW history. $19.95/single copy from Kutztown Publishing Co, 800-523-0236, (www.autoquarterly.com) BMW NA will send you a copy of most recent corporate annual report on request; summaries of that are on the main BMW corporate webpage. Any good newspaper that lists overseas stockmarket (Frankfurt) prices will give you current BMW share price. A websearch on 'Quandt family' or 'Joanna Quandt' will get you some references. best, Court Fisher Princeton NJ all the usual suspect acronyms court.fisherNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:27:20 -0500 From: Daniel Quick Subject: BMW: Europeans on the list > Andrea ( maramaoNoSpam@NoSpamgalactica.it) wrote: > Subject: BMW: Europeans on the list > = > While reading all your BMW stories is allways nice ( I'm an allweather > BMW maniac myself) i'd like to know if there is any european on the lis= t > or alternatively if anybody knows of an "euro list". It 'just a metter > of not knowing the places you're talking about. > I will not unsubscribe anyway ( sorry for all of you guys !!!) There are two european lists: Europrezz and IBMWR-Euro I have some details on my page at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dlquick/lists.html Unfortunately, I can't lay my hands on any further subscription informati= on right now. Maybe someone else will come up with it, if not try me again o= ff list. Safe Riding Daniel Quick = dlquickNoSpam@NoSpamcompuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dlquick Oxford UK Flautist Extraordinaire :-) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 03:11:09 +0000 From: Court Fisher Subject: BMW: Re: Europeans on the list >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:15:38 -0000 >From: "Leah, John (J.)" >Subject: BMW: RE: Europeans on the list SNIP >I don't know of a 'European' list but am quite happy reading all the >American stuff (although I presently have 1069 unread BMW messages) >John Leah >Devon, England >1078 R100RS > >>---------- >>From: maramaoNoSpam@NoSpamgalactica.it[SMTP:maramaoNoSpam@NoSpamgalactica.it] >>Sent: 03 December 1997 12:46 >>I'd like to know if there is any european on the list >>or alternatively if anybody knows of an "euro list". >>Thanks >>Andrea R100/7 >>Milano-Italy >------------------------------ John, Andrea, and all, Yes, there are Europeans and others of all flavors here, despite the North American skew. You can subscribe to one of the European IBMWR lists by sending an email to ; and in the text: subscribe ibmwr-euro [or] subscribe ibmwr-euro-digest best, Court Fisher Princeton NJ/USA all the usual suspect acronyms court.fisherNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Shibumi Subject: BMW: Re: Vidiot: DVDIII Shakedown At 10:55 PM 12/6/97 -0800, Mark Etheridge wrote: .... >After three hours at about 30-32 degrees the hands were getting >a bit chilled but nothing major. I think the Electrics will be a real >good plan for the longer trip though. It was great to be riding >on a Sunny winter day. Sounds like fun. Can't wait to wonder about ice around the next turn. :^/ Interesting about El Nino. I hear contradictory predictions re the winter - -- warmer & drier as well as colder and wetter. Regardless of eventual accuracy, I've decided that relatively "warmer & drier" is for the NW and relatively "colder & wetter" is for California. The Oregon State Climatologist indicates that this is true, at least, for Oregon. Maybe I got the following from you, Mark?: http://ocs.oce.orst.edu/ Can't find a similar site for California, i.e., one with long term forcasts. What I've got for Calif. and/or the west is simply historical climate summaries. Good for "normal" winters, which this one is likely not to be. - -John __________________________________________________ John Arnold Village Idiot 83 R65 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:39:41 -0500 (EST) From: bartonNoSpam@NoSpamesdim1.esdim.noaa.gov Subject: [none] John= and Mark, Have you checked on NOAA El Nino Home Page? Start with the NOAA home page http://www.noaa.gov and click on the El Nino button. If you can't find what you need send a message to my help staff at helpNoSpam@NoSpamesdim.noaa.gov and he see if he can point you in the right direction. Just remember, this long term prediction is still at its early stages and there is much work to be done to find relationships. regards gerry barton 79R65 in DC and your NOAA contact. Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 07:55:51 -0800 From: Buddy Burnett Subject: Re: BMW: Did your BMW help you get married? Phillip Rupp wrote: > Only one bike toss story I will admit to. > On the way to Cedar Point, Exit 7 eastbound circa 1980, I wasn't > familiar with countersteering on my '73 LWB 75/5 (toaster) and took too > wide an apex in the corner. I decided it would be worse to go down the > embankment, so I laid it down (with my sweet little thang riding > pillion). Love me, love my motorcycle. In 1970 my wife-to-be went with me to pick up a BSA 650 MK II Spitfire I bought second hand from a Harley shop. The U.S. models had about a two gallon gas tank, and the bikes only got 30 miles per gallon, tops. We left the dealership and were headed for a hop around town when the bike dies. We were out of gas. I'm not leaving this brand new bike on the side of the road, so one or the other of us will have to go for gas. She comes back in 30 minutes with a gallon of gas. The rest of the story. In 1994 I opened a Christmas gift that contained one of those little red R1100RS models the dealers sell. I'm impressed, it's a nice gift. Mary says, "look in the box." The invoice for my new red R1100RS, the full size version, is in the box. Mary rides bikes, too. We bought a new 1973 175 Kawasaki dirt bike for her to learn on. After about a 15 year hiatus, her next bike was a 1984 R65LS purchased in 1991. Mary just bought a R1100R that was a trade-in at the local Harley dealer, so we now own five BMW motorcycles between the two of us. Our 14 year old daughter went through the MSF rider course last summer and has her eyes on mom's R65 and has already been riding the bike around the yard. I'm not sure where we went wrong, but our 10 year old son avows he hates motorcycles and doesn't want to have anything to do with them. I guess it must have been all those trips in the sidecar since he was two years old. Buddy Burnett Nashville, Tennessee Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:52:01 -0500 From: Brian Curry Subject: Re: BMW: Spin The Drum VS Build The Pressure Dynos I really hate pissing matches. But I hate technical inaccuracy even more!!! At 10:47 AM 12/22/97 -0700, Rob Lentini wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > > > >>>That's a good explanation, but one that might beg the question by some as >to >>>why more HP on a drum type is not indicated in lower gears where the drum >is >>>indeed accelerated faster. The answer of course is that the drum dyno is >>>also hooked to the spark plug wires so the computer can compare engine RPM >>>acceleration to drum acceleration so as to calculate the gearbox >>>multiplication correction, or electronic gear ratio. >> >>Nope. (See Scott Lee's well done Physics lesson.) If anything you get >less >>indicated HP due to more slip. > >Right you are, but read on... > >Plus the data acquisition system is time >>based, not rate of change based. > >The Dynojet 150 is hooked to the motorcycle through the rear wheel and an >inductive connection to a spark plug wire. No argument here. >You misunderstood me, Brian. I probably did not articulate well. And maybe not here either.... My point >was that the dyno derives torque and HP from drum acceleration. Nope. The dyno derives torque from drum acceleration. Drum acceleration is derived from the drum moment of inertia and the difference in drum speed as it is measured at finite intervals. HP is derived from drum/torque/acceleration and drum speed. Drum speed has to be measured independently of engine speed. A side point. The measuring system has to measure drum speed at fixed intervals. The intervals have to be fairly small to get good acceleration data since it is inferred and not measured directly. (Yes there are rotary accelerometers. Yes, they are expensive. That is why it is done by "other methods.") If the drum >is accelerated faster it means more power is needed to do this. Not POWER BUT MORE TORQUE. As an example, you can accelerate at the same rate in top gear, or a lower gear. The engine power is the same. The engine torque is different. You can change drum rate of acceleration with different throttle openings as well as different gearing. So if a >gear selected correction isn't computed, then HP figures would be different >for different gears selected and obviously HP = torque times rate. NO!!!!!! Engine and Drum HP is drum torque times drum *speed*. (And torque is determined from the drum speed rate of change and drum inertia. So the whole system works off of measuring drum speed. And that can be done fairly easily in a manner not likely to be erroneous.) So the >dyno compares engine acceleration to drum acceleration to account for >gearbox ratios. It infers the transmission ratios from the engine versus drum speed. But it cannot tell you the absolute number of the transmission/rear drive ratios. It allows torque and HP to be displayed versus engine speed rather than drum speed. It is done that way for owner/operator convenience It solves the problem of knowing the ratios for every bike out there. And eliminates problems when the bike owner has changed the ratios. (Sometimes in the trans. More frequently, the chain drive sprokets on chain driven bikes.) The comparision does not show slip! Nor can it! If it didn't you would have more HP indicated in 1st gear >than 5th. NOPE!! Drum torque times drum speed will get you to the same HP. Lower gears give you more torque but at proportionately lower drum speed because of the transmission torque multiplication factor. As an example. On R bikes, the final trans ratio is 1.5 to 1. Assume a 3 to 1 final ratio. Assume a max engine speed of 6000 rpm. This means that in top gear, the maximum drive shaft speed is 4000 rpm. The maximum rear wheel speed is 1,333.33... rpm. (It is left to the reader to visualize that rear wheel turning at that rate!) If the trans first gear ratio is 4.5 to 1, the maximum drive shaft speed is 1,333.33... rpm in first gear. The maximum rear wheel speed is 444.44... rpm in first gear. So while the torque is higher, the speed is proportionately slower. The HP numbers should be the same. It is just that the drum torques and speeds change. Now OF COURSE there will be more slip in the lower ratios, but >this is a separate fact from the point I was trying to make. Your point is erroneous. But you are not the first person to follow that erroneous path. :):) >>>All of my runs were done in 4rd gear only, BTW. They bore out in actual >4th >>>gear roll-ons with Arno Jones too. >> >>And so you don't have any indication if your or Arno's tire was slipping. >>So there are more potential uncertainties in your comparison between bike >>readings. :(:( > >Look, we both did 4th gear dyno runs on the same dyno and did 4th gear roll >ons together. That's about as close a comparo as you can get! Absolutely not!!!! Were they done on the same day? At the same temperature? With the same tires? With the tires worn the same degree? (Tire heat is due to tire squirm and there is more from new thick block tires, than worn thin block tires.) Did you both have the same trans lubricant. Did you both have the same rear drive lubricant? (Pumping/viscousty losses in the lubricant are not insignificant.) Did you both have Dow Corning Gear Gear Guard? A "close comparision" is bolting the output shaft to the measurement drum, or having it drive a "prony" brake (I was corrected on my spelling.) or the hydraulic pump in one of the fluid based systems, or an eddy current brake. And then identify, and measure or estimate the error sources. That is a "close comparision" that will pass peer review by experts in the field of measurement. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | To infuse moral concepts into a political discussion is simply to | | confuse the issue.... Morality is not involved in achieving policy. | | - William Fulbright 1959 | | | | Brian Curry, 1990 Blue K75RTs both coasts, Chester Springs, PA, USA | | SoD #23 | | | | KGN- Improving Lives Around The World | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:51:04 EST From: Stalme Subject: BMW: K bike sex on TV I was surfing the cable this morning and caught a video for Aerosmith "Amazing". Alicia Siverstone was attempting to HUMP some guy while riding down the road on a red K100RS. I had to wait for her to move her ass off the tank to see the roundel. VERY HOT!! Makes me want to get a K bike. I bet she wouldn't hump me on my old rat boxer. Steve Cook 75 R90/6 in sunny Tampa, Fl MOA, RA, Airhead #1633 and Poverty Rider Boof # 107 and SoD #32 and (__!__) Friend of Bill W. Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 05:34:17 -0500 From: Bob DeHaney Subject: BMW: Re: New Books/Resources K-Bikes, Boxers, GS The address on the book is: Editions Schneider Text La Cour Roquette F-14140 Les Autels St. Bazile France FAX also for orders: +33(231)636707 No voice telephone or internet info. This is just across the border in France. The books are actually printed= in Zwickau, Germany. I suspect http://www. amazon.com can get just about any book. Bob in Munich '94 K1100RS Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:48:24 -0600 From: Richard Moore Subject: BMW: FYI: BMW press release Posted by Richard Moore 1/7/98 WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 6, 1998--1997 was a banner year for BMW authority motorcycle sales, as an increasing number of law enforcement agencies around the country added BMW R 1100 RT-P police bikes to their fleets of patrol vehicles. More than a dozen city and state police departments chose BMW R 1100 RT-P police motorcycles during 1997, including the California Highway Patrol, which recently ordered 150 BMWs for its sizable fleet of two-wheeled patrol vehicles. By year's end, five more law enforcement agencies were in negotiations to purchase BMW bikes. All of these agencies join more than a dozen others around the country who already have BMW K75 RT-P police motorcycles in their fleets. "This was a milestone year for BMW authority motorcycle sales in the U.S.," said Jeff Byers, National Marketing Manager for the BMW Motorcycle Group. "A growing number of law enforcement agencies are beginning to opt for BMW motorcycles because they offer features and benefits found on no other motorcycles sold for authority use. BMW offers the only authority motorcycle with an antilock braking system, and studies have shown that our bikes are the most cost-effective to own and operate. The fact that many departments with K75 models are now ordering the new, higher performance R 1100 model is indicative of the high level of satisfaction for BMW police motorcycles among law enforcement agencies," Byers added. Worldwide, BMW is the largest seller of motorcycles for authority use. A fleet of specially prepared BMW police motorcycles provide entourage support for Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. Moviegoers can also spot BMW motorcycles in several recent motion pictures. A BMW R 1100 RT-P appeared opposite John Travolta and Nicholas Cage in the action-adventure film "Face-Off," and the new BMW R 1200 C "Cruiser" proves indispensable to Pierce Brosnan and co-star Michelle Yeoh in the recently released James Bond film, "Tomorrow Never Dies." The BMW R 1100 RT-P ("P" for Police) is based on the BMW R 1100 RT civilian model, but is equipped with features which tailor it for official use. It is powered by BMW's modern two-cylinder, four-stroke Boxer engine which delivers 90 horsepower at 7,250 rpm. Comfort and safety features include an antilock braking system which operates independently on both front and rear wheels (important in panic braking situations), an electrically adjustable windshield to allow riders to tailor wind flow to riding speed and body proportions, electrically heated handgrips, an adjustable shift lever, and front and rear protection bars. In addition to special lighting and siren systems, the BMW R 1100 RT-P also comes equipped with auxiliary cooling fans, which are essential for an engine that must be kept idling or running at low speeds for long periods without overheating; and a large 700 W alternator to keep the battery charged during long duties. BMW of North America, Inc. was established in 1975, at which point the company assumed marketing and distribution responsibilities of BMW automobiles in the U.S. from the previous private distributor. Motorcycle marketing and distribution was added in 1980. Since then the company's North American operations have grown to include marketing, sales and financial services organizations in the United States and Canada; a South Carolina manufacturing operation; a design firm in California; and various other operations throughout the U.S. and Canada. BMW is represented in North America through a network of more than 375 automobile and 190 motorcycle retailers in the United States and Canada. BMW (US) Holding Corp., the brand's North American headquarters, is located in Woodcliff Lake, N.J. Information about BMW products is available to consumers via the World Wide Web on the BMW homepage. The address is: http://www.bmwusa.com. Journalist note: This and all BMW press materials are available via BMW's fax-on-demand service. The phone number is: 888-BMW-4960. CONTACT: BMW of North America, Inc. Robert D. Mitchell Product Information Manager Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:45:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Shilling Subject: Re: BMW: Discovered Website! (Partial BMW) On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 h-figueroaNoSpam@NoSpamusa.net wrote: > > I discovered a good general "almost one-stop browsing" motorcycle website that may be of interest to you on those boring winter days under location: > > http://www.allaboutcycles.com > > (comes from the Trader Publishing Co.). > > Hope you find it somewhat useful! Thanks. That's a pretty interesting site. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ........................... Bob Shilling, SE Berkeley, CA shillingNoSpam@NoSpamemf.net Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:31:02 -0800 From: Todd Coble Subject: RE: BMW: K100 rattle Well, all this talk of '85 K's makes me think that I should (finally)tell of my K resurrection. As many of you remember, my bike was vandalized in July by vandals. For those new to the list or limited memory, I'll briefly explain what happened: 3:30am on a Friday night my cover was lit on fire by some nice people, pretty much completely destroying all bodywork, my 1 month old leather Corbin saddle, controls, instrument pod, etc. etc. Bummer. Well, I didn't have full coverage insurance...I was stuck. So the rebuild began with my (meager) funds. I found a guy near me that had an '85 K-100RS that he totaled (front end damage), and was parting it out. Well, I took a drive in my friends' car with my tools to scavenge what I could. As luck would have it, the bike had most of what I needed. Bars and controls, instrument pod, tank, side covers, rear fender, etc., etc. The *really* cool part is that he only charged me 300 Bucks! Shit, what a deal. I decided to buy his '80 R100S as well for $2,000 (I later sold the R for $2,800.) A few months, and a little scavenging later, I had most of the parts I needed. I still needed to deal with my saddle, so I called Corbin with my tale. Guess what? They repaired and re-covered it for FREE! Who would have thought? Better yet, I got to ask for the mods so my wife is more comfy on the back. It is now *better* than new! I couldn't afford a new paint job, so I decided to spray it myself with cans. It *can* be done (no pun intended). I took my time, let the paint cure, wet sanded, buffed, etc. After 2 months, most of the parts looked passable. Oh yeah, I painted it black. I also decided to paint the engine cases black, and this is where the story takes a bad turn. I found a rivet stuck to the oil varnish on one of the covers, and I said, hmmm what's this here. I took the rivet to my occasional mechanic for an I.D.. Guess what? It was off the output shaft. Damn! Well, to make a long story a little shorter, my mech. had a later model assembly that I could buy. He, knowing my finances, and the fact that I do most all my own work, decided to offer one of his lifts and tools to do the job. I did the grunt work, and he was there for the major disassembly, and reassembly of the engine, etc. While we were in that deep, we decided to replace all parts that were possible problems down the line, including all seals and clutch, sensors, hoses, rubber parts, blah, blah. Well, $1,100 bucks later, I finally get to ride my new old bike home. Miles was dead, so I christened my bike Phoenix, risen from the ashes. The R was fun, but I was sure glad to have my trusty K back. It runs great-better than before. No more cold rattles, and barely any vibes. I have yet to replace the bar-ends, but I don't even really need them. I've been on a few 200 plus mile day rides with no discomfort. i used to have tingling in my fingers after long rides. I have just a few more thing I want to do to the bike to make the rebuild complete, like replace the water pump, and put little flames on the radiator cover. Can't wait for the first *big* trip, cause I know Phoenix can't wait either. And I know that at 60K, I've only just begun to enjoy the ride. Todd Coble, San Francisco - -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- '85 K-100 (phoenix) formerly Miles '80 R-100S (sold) '89 Fat Chance (Green, Mt. bike, Chiva) No car (thank god) - -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:40:40 +0000 From: "Adam Wolkoff" Subject: BMW: Honoring Ron Major: The Extra Mile Award. Sorry for the previous blank message :< Honoring Ron Major: The EXTRA MILE AWARD Ron Major's contributions to the sport of endurance riding are legion. Ron pioneered many engineering advances for the ST1100 motorcycle, which had the result of making the bike a serious LD contender. Ron was also fiercely competitive; his serious, professional attitude often helped others step their own performances up a notch. Yet perhaps Ron's biggest gift to our sport was the one for which he has been least recognized: Ron had an amazing ability to educate others about long distance riding. Many riders have been brought to this sport, and many more have seen their skills increase, thanks to Ron's generous and insightful advice. With this in mind, the Ironbutt Association seeks to invites the riding community to honor Ron's memory by nominating candidtates for the Extra Mile Award, commemorating the Rider who best exemplifies Ron's giving of himself to the sport of safe, long-distance, motorcycle riding, particularly in the area of new rider education and development. I have volunteered to coordinate nomination submissions. Please submit your nominations (until May 31, 1998) to my attention, either via email or snail mail to 1270 Bayard Ave, St Paul, MN 55116. you may also see the web page at http://www.visi.com/~awolkoff/major.htm Thank you. Regards, Adam Wolkoff St. Paul, MN awolkoffNoSpam@NoSpamnospam.visi.com http://www.visi.com/~awolkoff/index.html Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:10:59 -0500 (EST) From: jrocheNoSpam@NoSpammailer.fsu.edu (jim roche) Subject: BMW: Ozzie Auer/Sidecar Ace/La Carrera Winner >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:17:06 -0800 >From: Mark Gensman >Subject: BMW: Senseless acts of Kindness > >Years ago on the 100/7, one of the Koni shocks gave up the ghost on a >long heavily loaded trip into California. I stopped at Ozzies BMW in >Chico and inquired about getting a set of stock shocks. Ozzie showed me a >shelf full of used shocks. He picked a new looking pair, called one of >his repair guys over and said "go put these on the bike out front". The >mechanic ran out and in about five minutes had shocks on my scoot. I >asked Ozzie how much he wanted and he said "hey, you're on vacation, >these are on me". I about fell over. > >When I got home I sent him a hundred dollar bill and a thank you card. He >was a neat guy who worked at the BMW factory in Germany and raced vintage >BMW's. I don't even know if he's still around. >- -- >Mark Gensman MgensmanNoSpam@NoSpamix.netcom.com >95 K1100LT "The Green Hornet" >"You're never too old to rock and roll". Dear Mark, Ozzie Auer the Sidecar Racing ACE. 1961 German National Champion in the Open Sidecar Class. Open Class Sidecar Winner at the 1987 LaCarrera Mexican Road Race with a average speed of above 90mph on a special K100RS with racing platform and his oldest son attached. Natural born intutive wrench, caring friend to other racers in need, and highly respected ex-BMW-dealer to all. Is that the same guy? Yes it is. His health as been in question lately and many resources have been depleted but he is still among us and improving every day, I hope. Best, Jim(Dr.Curve)Roche jrocheNoSpam@NoSpammailer.fsu.edu high performance old twins http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~jroche/index.html Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:29:19 -0500 From: Rich & Frauke Rosental Subject: BMW: TECH: Fueling Protection - somewhat long Prezzs: Reading the thread on water in fuel. As an aside I used to own a little = airplane (Cherokee 140 for you pilots :-) ). I had an STC (legal = authorization) to use auto fuel. The piper fuel inlet was the same size = as that of a tractor fuel tank, hence a tractor funnel would fit (what = the heck, the engine design went back to the thirties). I fitted a = chamois (sp) inside the funnel, making sure the material didn't touch = the metal. Fuel would go through the material but water never. Hard to = believe until you try it. Filled a jar with gasoline and water, = fifty/fifty. Shook it up and poured it into the funnel and back into = the bottle. Only gasoline came out, the water beaded up on the inside. = Use of the chamois (sp) this was shown to me by a very experienced = seaplane pilot (friend named Dave Quam, first president of the US = Seaplane Pilots Association). So, if you just gotta keep your fuel = clean, and you're someplace strange, this is a good thing to know. BTW, = saved my bacon on a couple of occasions when I purchased bad gasoline, = from a major company, and the bad stuff was blocked from going into the = tank (once it was lots of black and brown gunk, no idea what it was, = yuck!). Rich Rosenthal RosieNoSpam@NoSpamcapecod.net Wellfleet, MA=20 '96 R1100R die fledermaus BMWMOA, BMWRA, IBMWR, Yankee Beemer Your wingless 4/10ths kind of a rider X-Sender: caratzNoSpam@NoSpamnet4all.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:32:00 +0100 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com, europrezNoSpam@NoSpamtwinight.org, vidiotNoSpam@NoSpamusaa.net From: Carlo Ratzersdorfer Subject: BMW: Beemer Ambulance X-Info: Net 4 All Sender: ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: Carlo Ratzersdorfer X-No-Archive: yes X-Bmw-List: Majordomo 1.94.3 X-Web-Page: http://www.ibmwr.org/ X-Copyright: (c) IBMWR and the original author(s). Seen on Dutch TV tonight, a beautiful vivid yellow R1100RT fully equiped for reanimation purposes. The paramedic riding it claims to have revived 3 people with full respiratory arrrests. If the test is conclusive, they are going to by 6 for the Hague, or was it Amsterdam region. In Belgium our Touring Club uses a fleet of K 75 LT in the summer for the purpose of splitting lanes on overcrowded motorways in order to get to stranded cagers. It's kinda nice to know.. Carlo Ratzersdorfer 1994 R1100RS "Lady Maggy" Boof # 23 IBMWR President - Village Idiot - Europrezz I have ICQ, ask me my UIN http://www.dma.be Check out my city. X-Sender: rbernieNoSpam@NoSpamecsu.campus.mci.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:26:17 -0500 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com, bmwmoaNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com, bmw-r1100NoSpam@NoSpamcinnamon.com From: Richard Bernecker Subject: BMW: BMW MOA Consumer Hotline has moved... Cc: bmwmoaNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, bezingreNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, jeff.deanNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net Sender: ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: Richard Bernecker X-No-Archive: yes X-Bmw-List: Majordomo 1.94.3 X-Web-Page: http://www.ibmwr.org/ X-Copyright: (c) IBMWR and the original author(s). If you're not a member of the BMW MOA, or really don't care to read about MOA club stuff, hit now.. :-) I just wanted to drop everyone a quick note letting them know that there has been a change in the BMW-MOA Consumer Hotline service. The BMW MOA's Association Manager has recently elected to bring the MOA Consumer Hotline service under the aegis of the MOA office as a formal tasking of MOA staff. As the outgoing MOA Consumer Hotline volunteer, I have forwarded to the MOA office all pending consumer action items, and am now busy enjoying my "retirement". :-) In other words, the transition of responsibility has been completed, and the MOA office staff is now directly providing this MOA member service. Therefore, all BMW MOA Consumer Hotline issues and questions should be directed to the MOA office: BMW Motorcycle Owners of America P.O. Box 489, Chesterfield, MO 63006 (314) 537-5511 The office staff can be reached at: bmwmoaNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com As well, the BMW MOA Association Manager can be reached at: bezingreNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com I have every assurance and confidence that the BMW MOA office staff is committed and positioned to provide responsive, member-oriented Consumer Hotline services. I encourage all BMW MOA members who have consumer-oriented issues, questions, or problems to make full use of this provided member service as needed. Thanks, ----- Richard Bernecker Elizabeth City, NC, USoA ----- Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:55:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Geoff Adams To: Jeffrey Harth Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Gas milaege on my K100RS - is this normal? Sender: ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: Geoff Adams X-No-Archive: yes X-Bmw-List: Majordomo 1.94.3 X-Web-Page: http://www.ibmwr.org/ X-Copyright: (c) IBMWR and the original author(s). On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Jeffrey Harth wrote: > I hear stories of riders getting 200+ miles out of a tank of gas. My low > fuel light regularly comes on at 140 and I better be stopped at the pump by > 160 or I'm pushing the bike down the road. Fills with 4.8 gallons. What's > the deal with this? Am I missing something? Jeff, My late '85 RS commonly went to 165 before turning on the light during my routine commuting, but would reach 185 or 190 when run under 75 on the slab. I often went to 210 on a tank. But on my trip to DVDIII this year the milage dropped dramatically with the light coming on around 125 or so. Using all that fuel made me think it must be running really rich, but Rob Lentini helped diagnose it as lean instead and suggested running through a bottle of Chevron injector cleaner. I did so and milage improved immediately. I tried a different brand first and it didn't do squat. Just something to consider. Geoff Adams, Arlington, TX tbcNoSpam@NoSpamdfw.net TBC NTCOF NTS MOA22753 IBMWR BMWDFW LSBMWR Seeking another K100RS - I think I've found one. Beware of the dogma.