From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri May 23 15:50:00 1997 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:27:36 -0700 From: "Max C. McHatton" To: Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Kalahari Jacket References: <970523025947_943516982NoSpam@NoSpamemout03.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: "Max C. McHatton" Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > I looked at the BMW Kalahari jacket also. Actually, the dark grey material > near the shoulders is made with some cool thread which reflects white when > light shines on it (it appears that 3M is everywhere these days). > > The dealer here had a Polaroid picture of one which was taken with a flash to > show how the jacket changes appearance. Pretty cool, but very expensive > jacket. > > I looked at another jacket, this one made by Firstgear, called the > Kilimanjaro. It had a zipper across the back from shoulder to shoulder with > a silver reflective strip which can be displayed at night (as well as opened > to offer ventilation). It's also a ballistic nylon material, although the > fabric over most of the jacket appears to be thinner and lighter weight than > the BMW jacket (it did have thicker ballistic patches in spots and some thin > foam "armor" padding on the elbows, shoulders, and back). It cost $299 at a > local accessories shop vs. about $650 for the BMW jacket. > > I'm primarily interested in a jacket which offers good ventilation for > warm-weather riding. In this respect, the Firstgear jacket seems to have > better ventilation than the BMW. Does anyone own one? Any thoughts? I bought a BMW Kalahari jacket after alot of searching. It replaced a H. G. Timbucktu jacket. The timbucktu jacket also had a zippered vent across the shoulders, but because the nylon fabric was coated on the inside with a water proofer, it didn't breath, and areas not effected by the ventilation(the ventilation only effected my arms and shoulders)got very warm, wet and uncomfortable. The Kalahari doesn't have a vent on the back, probably due to the compromize in protection that a vent would create. However, the outer shell is very breathable, and with the Goretex liner removed, and the arm vents open, I get alot more ventilation, overall, than I did with my Timbucktu. To my suprise, and one of the reasons that I bought the Kalahari, is that it fits me. I'm rather large. My suitcoat size is 50 extra-long. I have a 38 inch sleve length, and the Kalahari fits me. The Kalahari also has excelent safety features. It gives great comfort, without compromising crash protection. I also gave strong consideration to the Aerostich Darien, as it is available in tall sizes. Three factors sold me on the Kalahari: I already had black BMW Goretex pants that would zipper to the Kalahari; the Goretex liner is removable, therefore more versatile; and finaly, I got a deal on one, as its arms and body length were to long for the short and very stocky man it was ordered for. After using it for about six months, in temperatures ranging from 34 to 90 degrees f., and in the rain: I would definately buy another one. Max From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 3 11:08:06 1997 To: "David C.C. Sprague" From: Jeff Dunkle Subject: Re: BMW: Aerostich Suits Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com (IBMWR List) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:26:57 +0000 Reply-To: Jeff Dunkle David Sprague asked:: >Texas. I was wondering if anyone out there has tried the Aerostich >suits in 85 to 100 degree Fahrenheit weather. Out of the people who >have tried the Aeorstich suits, has anyone had any comparison to the >Kilimanjaro? The Kilimanjaro is great at about 65 degrees Fahrenheit, >but it gets uncomfortable above 80. I treat my Darien as a "system" consisting of: jacket, pants, fleece jacket/liner, fleece pants liner, electric vest, and thermal underware. Jacket ok to about 90.....95 in low humidity. Above that put ice in the pockets, gel coller, soaked t-shirt, etc. Pants ok to about 85. Above that I've been known to remove them and just do jeans To date my "only" complaint about the Darien is the pants come only in black. In high temp and high sun angles the thighs absorb heat. >From about 50 degrees to about 85 degrees the jacket and pants are fine.....vented as necessary. Between about 40 and 50 degrees the fleece goes on underneith. Below 40 degrees I add the electric vest. Below about 30 degrees I add thermal underware. Below about 20 degrees I don't ride too much. Jeff Dunkle Monroeville, PA 412-374-1231 BOOF #17, K-whiner #41, SoD #8 Pres. Four Winds BMW Riders '81BMW R100 "The Black" Pittsburgh, PA '86 BMW K75 "Shadow" ABC, MOA, RA, BMWBMW, RBR From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 3 12:15:32 1997 From: steve.aikensNoSpam@NoSpam3lefties.com Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:21:52 -0600 Organization: PC Solutions, Inc. To: "David C.C. Sprague" Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Aerostich Suits Reply-To: steve.aikensNoSpam@NoSpam3lefties.com David C.C. Sprague wrote: > > Yesterday, I happened upon Aeorstich's web page and was pretty > interested in their one-piece suits. I have a one hour commute to work > on my bike (R1100RS) and find the Kilimanjaro jacket and pants really > hot. Maybe I think it is hot and humid because I live in central > Texas. I was wondering if anyone out there has tried the Aerostich > suits in 85 to 100 degree Fahrenheit weather. Out of the people who > have tried the Aeorstich suits, has anyone had any comparison to the > Kilimanjaro? The Kilimanjaro is great at about 65 degrees Fahrenheit, > but it gets uncomfortable above 80. I wear a Roadcrafter one-piece. If you have to sit still at a light or something, more than a minute or so, it's hot at anything above 90 to me. Below that, it's not much of a problem, even in central and lower Texas - or here in Clovis. Once under way, it's ok to about 95 in the higher humidity areas, then it gets uncomfortable. Just a trade-off. Comfort Safety, sometimes. If it gets too hot when I'm riding, I prefer to just take the 'stitch off and wear a long sleeve shirt. Although the chances of falling down are always there, the probability I'll fall is significantly lower than the probability I'll become overheated and succumb to heat exhaustion in the 'stitch, in those higher temps. Being in the southwest, dehydration and heat exhaustion are a real possibility and must be really watched for. If you come out this way, always carry water and drink plenty of it to minimumize it. -- I don't suffer from insanity.....I enjoy every minute of it! Steve Aikens, Clovis, New Mexico steve.aikensNoSpam@NoSpam3lefties.com My BMW URL is http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4323/ Don't drop by very often, it never changes. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 3 14:14:07 1997 From: "Pat Roddy" To: "David C.C. Sprague" Cc: "BMW List" Subject: BMW: Re: AeroStich Suits Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:25:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Pat Roddy" David asks: I was wondering if anyone out there has tried the Aerostich > suits in 85 to 100 degree Fahrenheit weather. Out of the people who > have tried the Aeorstich suits, has anyone had any comparison to the > Kilimanjaro? The Kilimanjaro is great at about 65 degrees Fahrenheit, > but it gets uncomfortable above 80. > > Thanks, > > David Sprague David, although we may not have the constant above 100 temps you have, here in GA we do have full blown 90s for days on end with HIGH humidities (75-95) ugh! I won't lie to you-the AeroStich two piece I have is hot, real hot, ESPECIALLY when riding my K1100LT (fully faired). Even when moving, you don't catch much breeze behind that moving barn door. On the R100GS, however, and its minimalist windshield, I remain comfortable at any speed above being stopped. That's why I opt for the GS in warmer months and the K in cooler months. :-) I would strongly recommend the 2 piece over the one piece--it is a few bucks more but oh so much more versatile. In ungodly hot weather, I've been to eschew the pants, throw them in a saddlebag and continue wearing only the jacket. The 'Stich is fairly well ventilated, with two vertical vents under your arms and a horizontal vent across the back under the reflective fabric. Since it does have two zipper thingies (great technical term) you can unzip the jacket from the bottom several inches to increase flow though ventilation. As for the Kaliharis, no, I have no direct experience with them on a motorcycle. However, working at Blue Moon Cycles part time, I have seen several of them sold. They, too, are hot. This is coming from customers. Remember, they are also black, the worst color to have when it is sunny and hot; not to mention hard to see, despite their reflective fabric, when it is dark. ("Any color as long as it is black" as Henry Ford used to say. The pants are well armored and heavy duty, but the Kalihari pants are not really made to wear over clothes like the 'Stich is. Getting in and out of the pants is basically a sit down procedure, remove boots, etc. Again, this is from direct observation of customers wearing them as they come in from the parking lot. The main advantage I can see is that you can remove the zipped-in Gore-Tex liner (that DOES give you better protection from rain, at speed, than the 'Stich does due to its superior storm flap. The main disadvantage of the Kalihari that I have experienced, though, is getting into the jacket. It is a bitch to seal up the liner (zipper, then several snaps that are backwards to me at least), then a very flimsy zipper that very easily cross-zips if it is not aligned properly. I would imagine that for me, at least, if I started suiting up in the Kalihari out in the parking lot, getting into the pants, etc, putting on my boots, screwing around with the storm flap, that if I had gone ahead with the 'Stich, I'd be 10 miles down the road already. With a little 'practice, it IS possible, as AeroStich advertises, to get into it and out of it in 10 seconds. The Kalihari, IMVHO, will take minutes. With some fine tuning, the Kalihari will be a good suit to have. But again, IMVHO, V=very), for the extra 300.00 or so you'll spend, I'd opt for the 'Stich and spend the remaining 300 bux on a new helmet or on some of the goodies in the Rider Wearhouse catalog :-) And if Andy Goldfine ever reads this...."Hey Andy!...get a better storm flap for the Aerostich"!!!!!!!!!!!! pr Just trying to call them as I see them :-) They are both very good suits, but if I had to replace my fading red 'Stich right this moment, I would not hesitate to buy another one. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 3 17:31:39 1997 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 13:33:37 -0700 From: "Richard Lazar" Organization: Vanguard Computer Sales To: BMW MAIL LIST Subject: BMW: Aerostich Suits X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: "Richard Lazar" My two piece suit is HOT above 80f. I have tried most of the tricks with vents, and wetting down my shirt-pants with water seems to help. This is my biggest complaint about my suit. Above 85f I have to take off the pants, as I can't stand it. With my Aeroflow screen on it is much worse, so I only use that in cool weather. Sorry for the lack of good news. -- ****************************************************************************** Richard Lazar Vanguard Computer Sales '85 KRS 1910 W. Redondo Beach Bl Gardena CA 90247 mailto:vanguardNoSpam@NoSpambeachnet.com ****************************************************************************** From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 4 11:40:46 1997 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 11:47:52 -0400 From: Roger Traversa To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Cc: kalisodeNoSpam@NoSpamerols.com Subject: BMW: bmw-Care for Leathers - Reply Reply-To: Roger Traversa Prez. Dan asks: >There have been innumerable threads about care of our bikes but what about our leathers? How do I care for them? Do I wash them with saddle soap? Condition them with conditioner? Well, I like to keep my whip very nimble so I soak it in oil once every six months. My leather teddy and head gear get wash..... Ohhhhh, you mean riding gear. Everything leather gets cleaned with a moderately stiff brush and water when dirty once or twice a year (I do mine late winter and late summer) (Satin linings can be cleaned with a mild spray on cleaner which is removed with a damp sponge. Steaming also works well.) If the dirt is particularly ground in, some saddle soap is called for (but this is very drying so careful). After the item is clean and dry, the oils must be restored. Mink oil is a good choice (I mix mink oil and Bag Balm (sold at your local pharmacy Bag Balm was created and is sold for treating cow udders (living leather) and is generally composed of petroleum jelly)). The oil should be rubbed thoroughly into every portion of the leathers (especially wear points). Leave some excess on (a thin coat, but wiping away any large deposits). Let the item hang in a cool dry place overnight or some times longer. Go over the gear, removing any excess (especially near seams). In a couple of weeks I'll look over the jacket for deposits and and residue (should turn white and chalky) and remove same with a moderately stiff brush. After the last step, I'll apply a couple of coats of silicone spray (some people say this doesn't allow the leather to breathe accelerating its deterioration). I say it stops the water when I ride in the rain and there. I generally use the same procedure on all my non-shiny leather (wallets, gloves, whips, boots, etc. but it will wrech the finish on dress belts and shoes) With TLC, I've kept a lot of leather items useful for far longer than would normally be expected. YMMV Roger Traversa From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 4 12:29:47 1997 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 08:19:55 -0700 From: Scott Lee Organization: CAD Toolbox To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: re: Lexol for Leather Reply-To: Scott Lee My wife, being a quasi-veteran horse owner (4 so far) uses Lexol on her tack stuff, but does NOT use it on the car interior or leather clothing as she has found that it attacks some of the "wimpier" thread materials used in non-tack applications. If you are sure that you are dealing with a high quality sewn article you are probably OK, but if the cost reducers have gone to wimpier threads, beware. Maybe a garment/leather goods professional out there can help me out on specifics of thread type, and why some are attacked by Lexol.. Scott Lee Somewhere in L.A. NOT #e From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 4 12:45:20 1997 From: MTCollNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Re: Care of Leathers Reply-To: MTCollNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com There are lots of products out there, but Mink Oil seems to work fine. It's relatively cheap, readily available, and helps keep the leather supple. I doubt that any of the other pricey leather conditioners work any better. I don't use Saddle Soap very often; maybe twice a year. If I get grunge (usually bugs) on my jacket, I just wipe it off with a wet sponge and touch up with Mink Oil. I've had my jacket for over 10 years now, and it still looks new. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 4 13:01:24 1997 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:01:14 -0800 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: tdcNoSpam@NoSpamwell.com (Tom Childers) Subject: Re: BMW: Care of Leathers Reply-To: tdcNoSpam@NoSpamwell.com (Tom Childers) Dan Kalish asks: >There have been innumerable threads about care of our bikes but what >about our leathers? > >I'm dead serious with these poseurs. I bought a new First Gear jacket >last fall (for almost as much as a used car) and I have my college >jacket which kind of stands up like a boot (and which I'm trying to sell). >How do I care for them? Do I wash them with saddle soap? Condition >them with conditioner? On the inside or the outside? Do I waterproof >them? I use several products, in this order: Saddle soap to clean off the bug guts, Lexol leather conditioner, which simply sprays on and soaks in, Meltonian shoe cream to restore the black color (when needed), Mink oil. I've also used Harley-Davidson Leather conditioner and Alpinestar Waterproofing Paste for the final step. Both work very well, however the Alpinestar stuff contains beeswax, and will probably build up if you continue to use it. Better to wear a good rain suit than try to waterproof your leathers. The Alpinestar stuff works GREAT on boots and gloves, by the way! -tdc Tom Childers 1989 K100RS, 78,000 mi. tchilderNoSpam@NoSpamsybase.com, tdcNoSpam@NoSpamwell.com 1979 R100S, 91,000... Corte Madera, California 1979 528i, 190,000... From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 4 13:52:50 1997 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 17:10:31 +0100 From: Nick Horley To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Kalahari suit Reply-To: Nick Horley Pat Roddy made a number of points about the BMW Kalahari suit: I've had one for a year, and did a two month, 9000 mile tour of Europe in it last summer. I can't compare it with an Aerostich, as my only other suit is a leather one, but I thought I'd add to Pat's views. I should mention I ride a R1100GS - the best tourer BMW make, and a heap better in hot weather than an RT or LT! I should also mention that I'm English, which probably disqualifies me from understanding touring, American-style! Anyway, Pat says: > They are hot... Hotter than a T-shirt yes, but I don't see how any truly protective suit could be much cooler than a Kalahari. With the Gore-Tex lining removed, all you have is a layer of Cordura, which is not wind-proof, and a mesh lining. Plus you have inch wide vents which unzip all the way up the arms, leaving just the mesh between you and the elements. The only way to get it substantially cooler would be to put vents in the chest - I wish they would. >they are also black, the worst color to have when it is sunny...hard to see, despite their reflective fabric, when it is dark... Well...they are sandy yellow on the shoulders, where you get direct rays from the sun in the middle of the day. Plus they look great. If you want brighter colours, BM have (or had) an identical suit in orange, purple and silver/white - I think it was called the Marrakesh? I think it looks horrific, but then I hate the look of Aerostich suits as well - no points for style! >The pants are well armored and heavy duty... Yes, the armour is great and the suit seems tough. I haven't crash tested it yet, despite hitting a large rock at 100 mph in Portugal and trashing both wheel rims. I am concerned about the loose fit of the jacket - in a crash the elbow armour might well move out of place and fail to protect the joint, especially if you have the vents open. >but not really made to wear over clothes like the 'Stich is. Getting in and out of the pants is basically a sit down procedure, remove boots, etc. All true. But if the whole idea is to keep cool, why would you wear clothes under the suit? If the trousers had a loose fit to allow this, the armour wouldn't stay in place in a crash. The jacket does allow you to wear lots of extra layers, and I use it in the winter with a heated vest and thermal underwear. But bagginess does not make for safety. >The main advantage I can see is that you can remove the zipped-in Gore-Tex liner (that DOES give you better protection from rain, at speed, than the 'Stich does due to its superior storm flap... Good news. I like the suit for lots of other reasons: the lining can be stowed in a pocket in the rear of the jacket, you get a Gore-Tex document pouch to keep your passport dry, the whole thing is easy to clean in the washing machine, the inside of the knees have leather pads to help you grip the tank when braking, cornering etc, the trousers can be worn inside your boots (for that motocross look) or outside (great in the rain), the jacket has external pockets angled to make it easy to get stuff out while riding. But the best thing about the suit is its four-season versatility. Even on a weekend trip you can encounter everything from freezing rain to desert conditions, and with the Kalahari you never wish you had room to pack a spare suit. If I have to take to the woods after the Apocalypse I'll live in it. > The main disadvantage of the Kalihari that I have experienced, though, is getting into the jacket. It is a bitch to seal up the liner (zipper, then several snaps that are backwards to me at least), then a very flimsy zipper that very easily cross-zips if it is not aligned properly... It gets much easier with a little practice - and in hot weather you won't be using the lining anyway. If you hit a summer storm, you can ride through it without stopping to put the lining in. The suit dries in minutes when the rain stops if you keep the speed up. The suit does have other faults: the hip armour twists into two pieces after a lot of wear, the collar fastens with velcro, and really needs something more secure, and your bum (ass?) gets a little sore on long rides in hot weather. Good grief, all these words about one suit. Apologies for my verbal diarrhoea - the enthusiasm of a net newbie doing his first posting! One more thing - BMW also do some incredible summer gloves - the fabric between the fingers is completely non-windproof, and they feel soooo cool! Make sure you remove the hand guards from your GS to get the full effect! From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jun 4 20:07:17 1997 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 16:34:26 -0700 From: Bill Juhl To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: re: Lexol for Leather Reply-To: Bill Juhl Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 10:20:14 -0600 > From: steve.aikensNoSpam@NoSpam3lefties.com > Subject: Re: BMW: re: Lexol for Leather > > Scott Lee wrote: > > > > My wife, being a quasi-veteran horse owner (4 so far) uses Lexol on her > > tack stuff, but does NOT use it on the car interior or leather clothing > > as she has found that it attacks some of the "wimpier" thread materials > > used in non-tack applications. If you are sure that you are dealing > > with a high quality sewn article you are probably OK, but if the cost > > reducers have gone to wimpier threads, beware. > > Maybe a garment/leather goods professional out there can help me out on > > specifics of thread type, and why some are attacked by Lexol.. > > > > Interesting post. Been using the stuff for some time now and have had > no problems, but that doesn't mean I won't. > > I'd be real interested in any additional information on Lexol if > someones got it. > - -- > I don't suffer from insanity.....I enjoy every minute of it! > > Steve Aikens, Clovis, New Mexico Basically leather has two main needs ... the first is to be cleaned of dirt and films that accumulate ... any good saddle soap is good for that ... the oldtimers swore by glycerine saddle soap and I've seen 50+ year old saddles in excellent shape that saw an occasional saddlesoaping as their only maintenance. Plain water cleaning is ok as well, but won't cut accumulated films of oils/grease/etc. Saddle soap does have a side effect in that it also removes natural (desirable) lubricants that are in the leather from tanning and that act as softeners. Lexol has been used with a lot of success for a very long time ... my first brush with it was treating tooled leathers in the 50's. It used to be only a professionals leather treatment but has broadened its market in recent years. It doesn't clog up or "wetten" the leathers the way oils such as neatsfoot or mink oil do. With a Lexol treatment, you end up regaining the flexibility of the leather while still keeping it breathable. Used long enough, the oils of any sort (or silicones for that matter) eventually soak in and make the leather heavy and soggy. This can accelerate in high wear areas or where the original sealing finish wears off exposing the more naked leather underneath. No experience with threads degenerating, but I suppose that is possible. (solution, dress better ... get rid of the cheap threads) A routine maintenance of periodic cleaning, then light Lexol is probably as good as you can do for your skins. If you get scrapes and need to darken it to cover, then a leather die is probably better than using a wax polish to cover the scrapes. Other conditioners that are not petroleum based are probably ok as well. Anything with a lanolin base (a natural product from sheep's wool) should work. Bill Juhl K100RT Sacramento CA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 5 00:19:17 1997 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:56:58 -0600 (MDT) From: D&J To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Cc: steve.aikensNoSpam@NoSpam3lefties.com, Bill Juhl Subject: BMW: re: Lexol for Leather Reply-To: D&J If you guys are really serious about taking care of your leathers and not just fucking around, screw Lexol. Check out Langlitz Leather Dressing from Langlitz Leathers, 503-235-0959. $5.00 for 6 oz, shipping included. And you can get it right away, rather than waiting for eight months like you would have to do if you ordered any of their leathers. I've been using it on my Langlitz leathers for 35 years and can't find anything to complain about. Dick Taylor - Classy Guy hetchinsNoSpam@NoSpammontana.com Live and lean. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 5 22:33:48 1997 X-Ms-Tnef-Correlator: From: Paul Meredith To: "'Mick Furchert'" Cc: "'IBMWR'" Subject: BMW: RE: Wet Weather gloves Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:53:01 -0400 Reply-To: Paul Meredith This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC71FA.D91DC1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mick, I stumbled across my "current" set of gloves. (they were a give-away) but have turned out to be the best set I could have asked for. Gortex makes a "fleece" fabric (kind of like Polartec, but called "windstopper") that they turned into gloves, soft, fuzzy with leather palms. They have been very "wind and rain proof" I can feel at slight wind leakage at speeds above 70mph. When I'm out in 20-35 weather, I add a set of glove liners. Works like a champ. I even snowmobile with them when the temps are above 10F. In the rain, they keep me dry for a few hours (I'd bet they would hold if I kept the speed down). If they soak thru, they dry out very nicely as the Gortex allows your hand warmth to evaporate the water. They "breathe" which allows me to ride with them in warm weather also. I have a selfish motive in providing all this detail. I have not been able to find a replacement pair (I haven't called Gortex yet). If you find them, let me know. I believe they had a list price of $40US. I ordered a pair of Gortex gloves from LL Bean, but they aren't the same. I have not tried the LL Bean gloves under "motorcycling conditions" yet, maybe this fall. If someone runs across these gloves, let me know... 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That's where you find them. Bob in Munich '94K1100RS From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 7 04:03:45 1997 From: "scotsfd" To: Subject: BMW: Re:Wet weather gloves Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:20:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "scotsfd" > > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 11:05:52 -0700 > From: Mick Furchert > Subject: BMW: Wet Weather gloves > > Can a few Preses, give me some info on where I can get a good set of > 'Wet weather/cold' riding gloves. > Just get some Belstaff overgloves mate. Put them on over the top of your favourite gloves, just when it rains. They are not full gloves but they are very effective. Probably Drizabone has something similar too. Waxed cotton is hard to beat in the wet! cheers Steve Cotsford scotsfdNoSpam@NoSpamconterra.com 81 R100RS 65 R27 Tuned pipes make the sweetest music! From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 7 05:30:37 1997 From: Tom Nash To: "'bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com'" , "'gambetNoSpam@NoSpamterrigal.net.au'" Subject: BMW: Wet Weather gloves Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:37:14 -0700 Reply-To: Tom Nash Mick, >Can a few Preses, give me some info on where I can get a good set of = 'Wet weather/cold' riding gloves.< I have no doubt that you, and the rest of this list will die laughing, = but here's how I solved the problem, and it works. It's also very = cheap! Buy an over-sized pair of heavy rubber gloves meant for washing dishes = or cleaning the toilet, and a pair of warm fabric gloves that fit inside = them. I have tried all the different kinds of gloves over the years, = including the Gortex and the "wet suit" style gloves, and in my humble = opinion, nothing works as well. OK - so they look weird, but my hands stay dry and warm. Tom Nash '94 K1100RS San Francisco From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 7 07:14:11 1997 From: MRob46NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:59:03 -0400 (EDT) To: psychbNoSpam@NoSpamconcentric.net Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: women's riding suits Reply-To: MRob46NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Barry, You said: >We then spoke to one or two women at Aerostich and ordered a two-piece 'stitch - a 36 short top and a 38 short bottom. Well, the bottom fits. Now I've returned the top for a 38 short top, which is being made. Throughout all this frustration, the people at Rider Wearhouse have been most pleasant to deal with.< I would hope they would be pleasant to deal with. They are trying to sell you a garment they don't make--one that you will pay $$ to make fit. >It is still, however, frustrating to not be able to purchase a many-hundred dollar riding suit for a woman.< And this is why we should support the manufacturers who do. If women continue to have men's clothing altered to fit them, companies won't be encouraged to begin making women's clothing. >(BTW, I've been told - but can't swear to its accuracy - that no manufacturer makes non-leather riding suits in women's sizes. Does anyone know to the contrary?)< Vanson Leathers makes a cordura riding suit: the vented Avenger jacket that zips to the Sport Rider pants. The jacket comes in women's sizes 4-20 and the pants come in women's sizes 4-20 (odd and even sizes). Both pants and jacket will accept full armor. Colors are red, blue or black. I have a stock Vanson leather jacket that fits me like it was custom made. Vanson also has a line of perforated leather jackets and pants, for both men and women. Phone is 617-344-5444. BMW, Firstgear, and Vanson make women's clothing. I'm sure there are others. Perhaps you could browse the m/c magazines in your local magazine store or ask your dealer about brands other than BMW--he should have catalogs you can look at. Marilyn Roberts St. Louis '94 K75 Gateway Riders BMWMOA AMA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 9 11:33:03 1997 From: "Jim Bessette" Original-From: "Jim Bessette" Original-From: "Jim Bessette" Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:21:54 -0600 To: Frank Glamser Subject: Re: BMW: Gerbings Jacket Liner or Vest? Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: "Jim Bessette" On Jun 8, 4:40pm, Frank Glamser wrote: > After considering the helpful input of many prezzes, I'm ready to go > electric. I've narrowed the decision to the Gerbings thin jacket liner and > quilted vest with collar, although contrary advice is welcome. My > overriding consideration was packability. I rarely ride for extended > periods below 40 or 50 degrees. I'm looking for standby heat when > unanticipated weather strikes or when travelling briefly at altitude. The > options I've mentioned should take up about the same space, one has > sleeves the other quilting. What I'm interested in is the net advantage in > warmth under a windproof jacket of the sleeve heat of the jacket vs the > quilted torso of the vest. If it's a toss-up, the vest is cheaper. TIA. Frank, I've got the quilted jacket liner and love it. I've gone the vest route, but found if I really needed the vest, I really needed the sleeves too. The quilted version is NOT easily packable. It's quite bulky (as you probably know). My suggestion would be to go with the non-quilted jacket liner (WITH SLEEVES). If you're in the situation that you NEED the electrics, you've probably already got some other clothing that you can put OVER the jacket liner as insulation (i.e. you shouldn't need the quilting of the vest). -- Jim Bessette | Experiencing | First BMW '89 K100RS/ABS bessetteNoSpam@NoSpamdrmail.dr.lucent.com | BMW evolution | Second BMW '93 R100GS/PD Westminster, CO. USA | in reverse | Third BMW '68 R50/2 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 9 12:11:42 1997 From: bkeaheyNoSpam@NoSpamuswest.com To: "Jim Bessette" , Frank Glamser , bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:39:24 MDT Subject: Re: BMW: Gerbings Jacket Liner or Vest? Reply-To: bkeaheyNoSpam@NoSpamuswest.com Addressed to: "Jim Bessette" Frank Glamser bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com ** Reply to note from "Jim Bessette" Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:21:54 -0600 > On Jun 8, 4:40pm, Frank Glamser wrote: > > > After considering the helpful input of many prezzes, I'm ready to go > > electric. I've narrowed the decision to the Gerbings thin jacket liner and > > quilted vest with collar, although contrary advice is welcome. My > > overriding consideration was packability. I rarely ride for extended > > periods below 40 or 50 degrees. I'm looking for standby heat when > > unanticipated weather strikes or when travelling briefly at altitude. The > > options I've mentioned should take up about the same space, one has > > sleeves the other quilting. What I'm interested in is the net advantage in > > warmth under a windproof jacket of the sleeve heat of the jacket vs the > > quilted torso of the vest. If it's a toss-up, the vest is cheaper. TIA. Here's just what you need. New Age electric vest: basic, thin, lightweight, packable supplemental heat for the temp range you mention. When I bought mine, it was $109.95 CDN, which was about $82 US. Comes with trailer-light type connectors and and in-line fuse. I replaced them with Widder type connectors and a BMW accessory plug. It doesn't get hot enough to really need a thermostat. Here's the source info: > Bruce, > Yup, we have the New Age electric vests. Like the person who > forwarded the message, I will NOT ride without mine. We can certainly send > you one. Just call Rupe at (604)266-7736 with your size and VISA or > MasterCard Number and it will be on it's way. The price is $99.95 CDN and > if you put it on a charge card we can let someone else worry about exchnge > rates. If you have a BMW, get the accessory plug and connect it to the vest > so you can just plug in. I also put an on/off switch on mine (easy to do) > and some others have put rheostat-type switches on theirs. Works great!! >Brian Dawson > Shail's Motorcycles Ltd. Bruce G. Keahey, U S WEST Advanced Technologies, Boulder, CO "Never anger a dragon, for you are crunchy and go well with Brie." From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 9 14:39:36 1997 From: Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:13:24 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Hot weather riding gear... Reply-To: Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Hi all. A while back, I wrote in mentioning that I had heard about a product through a friend which promised to make riding in hot weather more comfortable. I hadn't seen the product at that point, yet I received a number of inquiries via e-mail. Since then, I've seen and purchased one. I'm a big fan of products that actually work and wanted to let you all know about this. The product is a nylon mesh vest which contains vertical strips of cloth similar to the "cool collars," which absorb water in some kind of silica gel. The vest has two pairs of these strips on the front, and two pairs on the back. Apparently, this company got their start making these vests in high-visibility orange for CalTrans crews to use at work. They now make them in more subdued colors for people with more conservative tastes. I saw them in solid black and black mesh with blue trim and cool strips. They have elastic on the sides and two strips of velcro on the front for closure. I purchased the vest through Biker's Dream in Sacramento. Before leaving, Jim, the owner, and I soaked the vest in water for about 20 minutes. The strips swelled with water, becoming tubes about 1/2 inch in diameter. I put the vest on under my Firstgear leather jacket with the vents open. The first pair of tubes lined up well with the front vents, and the second pair ran along the sides of my chest, under my armpits. It was about 92 degrees outside. I immediately felt more comfortable. It felt as if my shirt was wet, but all the water was contained in the gel and the inside of my jacket stayed dry. I believe a 20-minute soak should be enough to keep the vest hydrated for an entire day. If it dries out, you can simply soak it in a sink of water for a few minutes to "recharge." Jim mentioned that he has sold a number of these through word-of-mouth to police here in Sacramento to wear under their body armor. It fits tightly enough to work this way. I paid about $35 for the vest, and honestly believe it will make riding much more comfortable during our long hot summers here in Northern CA. I have no connection to this company or to Biker's Dream, I'm just satisfied with this product. If anyone would like to buy one, e-mail me and I'll forward the info to Jim. He was running out of the vests when I saw him on Saturday (he only had XL sized left, I think). He said he can get more if needed. Steve Sacramento From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 9 17:16:21 1997 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 15:52:42 -0500 From: ken barnett To: Frank Glamser Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Gerbings Jacket Liner or Vest? Reply-To: ken barnett Frank Glamser wrote: > > After considering the helpful input of many prezzes, I'm ready to go > electric. I've narrowed the decision to the Gerbings thin jacket liner and > quilted vest with collar, although contrary advice is welcome. My > overriding consideration was packability. I rarely ride for extended > periods below 40 or 50 degrees. I'm looking for standby heat when > unanticipated weather strikes or when travelling briefly at altitude. The > options I've mentioned should take up about the same space, one has > sleeves the other quilting. What I'm interested in is the net advantage in > warmth under a windproof jacket of the sleeve heat of the jacket vs the > quilted torso of the vest. If it's a toss-up, the vest is cheaper. TIA. > > Frank Glamser > Hattiesburg, Mississippi > 92K75RT Frank... i've owned an Eclipse vest, now i have a Gerbings jacket liner. for staying warm...THERE IS NO COMPARISON....the jacket liner is the way to go. but....if it's packability you want, look into the vest from Rider Warehouse (aerostitch people) their vest is made out of Polar- fleece and packs into its own pocket. ken barnett plano,texas R1100RT 900 sp From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 9 18:37:12 1997 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerome Cook To: "Maureen O'Farrell" Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: women's riding gear Reply-To: Jerome Cook I have spoken to the Gerbings folks several times in the last two weeks. they seem more than willing to do almost anything to make your riding suit what you want it to be. If looks are important only you can decide if the gerbings is for you. I like the way their suits look. They currently have 200, 500, 1000 denier fabric. I think I will order mine with the 500. The color catalogs are a bit misleading. Mine said they have 1350 denier cordura but that is for the armor patches. If you can find out where their reps are attending rallys try to get there and see what the suits look like. HAve the Rep measure you and you have a pretty good shot at getting a good fit. I did this at the BMWBMW rally in Md. Custom work seems to agree with them. I want extra pockets and a few other things to suit me. They will fix or alter anything you dont like. (i have experience with their jacket liners & pants liners Mu guess is they can custom make you a quality suit cheaper than Aerostitch plus you get electric included. good luck jerry On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Maureen O'Farrell wrote: > > I can't find the original post, so I don't quite know who to send this info > to...so, sorry to waste the bandwidth :) > > I've found that the answer is, there is no simple answer. Off-the-rack gear > really varies. > > I bought a small Darien suit, which fit horribly- but I tried a size 34 2 > pc roadcrafter that fits great w/ no alterations. Recently, I decided to > get a decent set of leathers, and wanted a set of HG V Pilots. I got lucky > and found a pair of sz 28 Men's pants in the MOA newsletter, and they fit > great. I can't figure how they could ever fit a guy! I then ordered a new V > Pilot women's jacket to match, and it ended up making me look like a line > backer! Go figure... > > I have given up on the jacket and gone back to an old Vetter jacket, that > at least fits OK. > > One idea for Cordura/ Aerostitch-like gear, may be Gerbing's. When I > ordered my electric jacket liner, they custom-made the whole thing > according to my measurements, and had it on my door in three days! I know > they are currently making cordura suits, perhaps they will do custom > sizing. > > As I recall, the FemmeGear stuff was a tad on the Harley-esque side, but I > applaud the concept. > > Good luck! > > -Maureen > > > > Maureen O'Farrell Walt Sizemore > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > >Pearl 1994 R1100RSA >Black 1995 R1100RSLA > >White 1988 R100GS > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 10 10:09:29 1997 From: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Re:The Electric Prezzzident Reply-To: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Seems to me that I ran across a First Gear jacket liner that was sent to Gerbing by it's owner to have electric heat wired in. Cost was about the same as buying a full new electric jacket liner but you end up with your own custom jacket. This may be a good time of year to part with your liner for awhile, I am sure it takes awhile to get it completed. (I have not had this done myself and I am not soliciting business for anyone, just spreading a rumour while I am stuck here in the office when I should be out riding). VIC WARUSZEWSKI, SoD # 21 VI #1 MOA 85K100RS BMW Touring Club of Detroit #1 Motor City Beemers Team K-Basa http://pages.prodigy.com/bmwtcd - The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jun 10 14:44:36 1997 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:12:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerome Cook To: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: electric clothing Reply-To: Jerome Cook I have spoken to several riders who had their existing clothing modified by gerbings. I didnt ask what they spent for the re-work. The issue to them was they liked the things they had and decided to electrify them. Gloves were a popular item to have converted. All the riders seemed to be pleased with the re-working to add electrics. If the cost to convert an existing liner to electrics was too close to $180 i would just get the gerbings, but fit could be an important issue. Good luck jerry On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > Seems to me that I ran across a First Gear jacket liner that was sent to > Gerbing by it's owner to have electric heat wired in. Cost was about the same > as buying a full new electric jacket liner but you end up with your own > custom jacket. > This may be a good time of year to part with your liner for awhile, I am sure > it takes awhile to get it completed. > (I have not had this done myself and I am not soliciting business for anyone, > just spreading a rumour while I am stuck here in the office when I should be > out riding). > > VIC WARUSZEWSKI, SoD # 21 VI #1 MOA 85K100RS > BMW Touring Club of Detroit #1 Motor City Beemers > Team K-Basa http://pages.prodigy.com/bmwtcd > - The generation of random numbers is too important > to be left to chance. > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 12 03:11:48 1997 To: karlNoSpam@NoSpamwizvax.net Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:42:57 -0400 Subject: BMW: overpants X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,5-8,10-11,13 From: myleslewisNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Myles B Lewis) Reply-To: myleslewisNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Myles B Lewis) Karl, For the ultimate in protection and no goretex, try Motoport's Ultra II Trek Cordura pants. I have the 2piece suit and only downfall I see is no goretex. All them at 1-800???????? Can't find the catalog. Check with 800 directory assistance. They are in CA and often have closeouts. Normal price is around $300 if I remember correctly. Myles ************************************************************ Myles B. Lewis---Bradenton, Florida, USA---Riding OL' Yeller--- A 1978 BMW R100/7-black & yellow, converted to a home made RT or RC or R?? IBMWR---BMWMOA #71292---BMWRA #20505---AMA #443756---Florida SunBeemers You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get it to roll over & bark, you really have something! From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 12 05:08:06 1997 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:46:08 -0700 To: CMcdougalNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: David Rivers Subject: Re: BMW: Which Aerostich?????? Cc: IBMWR list Reply-To: David Rivers At 7:36 PM -0700 6/11/97, CMcdougalNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: >Well, everyone says that I should get an aerostich. Everyone.....so...which >one? I ride to work every day, (avery short commute) and I ride on the >weekend and want to start some long distance in a short timeframe touring. >Specifically, this summer I will ride my R75/6 from San Antonio, TX to >Vermont and back.I plan to do a lot of miles per day. I also plan to start >doing more rides around the southwest,(big bend, New Mexico, etc) I am >putting the Windjammer back on and I need to know which suit to by. The one >piece looks like the best for the long trips, but how about for around town >behind a fairning in San Antonio in the summer time. Right now I wear an >unlined leather jacket and jeans. > Should I get the Roadcrafter twopiece? It seems more versatile. Will I be >able to wear it in the summer time in TX, or will it be ridiculously hot? Is >there another option besides a stich? >Thanks everyone in advance >Charlie Mac Hi Charlie, I was in the exact quandry as you are now late last year after I became the happy owner of a new R11RT. I ended up buying the standard Darrien jacket and pants from Rider's Wearhouse. The reason is because I wanted the most range of comfort and maximum rain protection. The zipper on the Roadcrafter 1 or 2 piece is reputed to leak after sustained soakage. Particularly in the crotch. The Boys don't like to be soaked. The Darien lacks the Roadcrafter's ballistic patches at the shoulders, elbows to wrists and knees to ankle areas. This makes the Roadcrafter stiffer, thicker in those spots and thus warmer and most importantly, IMHO, more crashworthy. However, the Darien is cooler in the heat, has a "softer hand" and is much less stiff and therefore more comfortable. I think the 1 or 2 piece Roadcrafter looks cooler in a moto kind of way then the Darien but I wouldn't use the RC to snow board or any other use then riding street motorcycles. I think the Darrien would be much better on dual sport rides then the RC and I think it is marketed as such by Rider's Wearhouse. President Robert Higdon noted that he used a Darien outfit on his Summer '96(?) tour ride report on a R80G/S for many thousands of miles. (Bob's excellent reports are linked to the Iron Butt home page.) Doug Ruth wears a 2 piece RC as he tours South America on a G/S. Doug has reported thet he removes the bottoms when it gets too hot. (Doug's excellent reports are showing up on the GS list and there are 2 somewhat out of date web pages with his story as well.) At the few Beemer gatherings I've attended I have seen many 1 piece 'stiches come off the rider as soon as they park and they stay off untill the next ride. With 2 piece 'stiches people seem to wear one or the other piece most of the time, at least when it is a bit cool out. The "hard to fit" people almost universally have 2 piece Roadcrafters or Darriens. Many of the 1 piece outfits arrive on skinny people. I have even seen some people wearing Darien pants and RC jackets. If I was just commuting I would get a 1 piece RC and be happy. If I was commuting mostly and with an occasional moderate tour thrown in I would get a 2 pice RC and be happy. Since I want to do some serious long distance combat tours I got the Darrien and I am happy. For really hot days like in San Antonio, Rider's Wearhouse makes a Darien "lite" you might want to look into. Which ever you get, I recommend you order it large enough to layer properly for the colder months and the optional spine pad and hip pads. I wish you the best in your search for the perfect moto clothes. Most excellent regards, David Rivers, Moraga, CA R1100RTL "Das Momo" AMA, MOA, CCBR, IAFF From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 12 08:25:42 1997 From: "Pat Roddy" To: , Subject: BMW: Re: Which AeroStich?????? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:21:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Pat Roddy" Charlie Mac: I opted for the 2 piece. It is versatile in that you can, in ungodly hot weather, remove the pants yet still wear the jacket. At a rally that is cursed with rain, you are able to wear the jacket as a raincoat (if you forgot your poncho ;-). The 2 piece seems to have more room inside. You can also, for a paltry 50 bux or so, buy a pants 'extender' that connects to the pants with a zipper and makes the pants like overalls, with shoulder straps. This way, you can remove the jacket if desired, like when eating, and leave the 'bib overalls' on. I have heard, but have not verified, that if you need a little more length, there is now an "expander" you can purchase which adds 2 inches or so of length. You will prolly get a lot of responses for the one piece. They are fine too, but for me, at least, the 2 piece made the most sense. (I have known 3 folks who had one pieces but traded them in for 2 piece suits). Curiously, I have never seen anyone doing the opposite. YMMV. Good luck. Whatever you choose, you will have the nicest, all around riding suit on the planet. Yes, you will get hot in TX with your 'Stich, especially when stopped. When moving, however, open your vents. That will create a flow through effect that will help you maintain your cool ;-) pr pr in Buford, GA USA 93K11LT & 95R100GS SoD16, Boof & K-Whiner From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 12 09:03:01 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.st.usm.edu: fglamser owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:43:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Glamser To: Karl Juul Cc: BMW Mailing List Subject: Re: BMW: Nylon (Cordura) Pants???? Reply-To: Frank Glamser Hi Karl, I use the Motoport Ultra II cordura for just those reasons. The downside is they are bulky and ugly. Frank Glamser Hattiesburg, Mississippi '92 K75RT BMW RoM On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Karl Juul wrote: > > I'm looking for a pair of nylon "over-pants" I can wear over my dress > slacks for warm weather commuting. > > I normally wear First Gear Nevada Touring Pants for that purpose, but they > are not > comfortable in hot weather. > > What I'm looking for are pants without a waterproof coating or Goretex > lining, something that is purposely not windproof.... > > Any ideas? Maybe something intended for a sport other than motorcycling? > > Thanks. > > -Karl. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ karlNoSpam@NoSpamwizvax.net ++++++++++++++++++++++ > Karl Juul **someplace in upstate New York** KB2XG > 1994 Honda VFR750F > 1993 BMW K75S-Gone, but not forgotten... > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 12 14:17:27 1997 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:41:27 +0000 From: Joseph Luther To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Re: bmw- Nylon (Cordura) Pants???? Reply-To: Joseph Luther On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:10:21 -0400, Karl Juul" wrote: > What I'm looking for are pants without a waterproof coating or Goretex > lining, something that is purposely not windproof.... > > Any ideas? Maybe something intended for a sport other than motorcycling? Karl, I've used Cordura hunting pants for years for riding. I have 3 versions: 1. Just plain Cordura 2. Cordura with Gore-Tex lining 3. Cordura with Gore-Tex and Thinsulite. I get these from Cabela's Hunting, Fishing and Outdoor Gear. Their mail-order number is 1-800-237-4444. These are field pants sold for bird hunting. I wear these because they look just like regular pants - pockets, belt loops, etc.. I have the tan colored version, but they come in other colors as well. Aside from the obvious aesthetic advantage, the pants have good abrasion resistence - and the gore-text and thinsulite versions have proven themselves in the worst of weather. There need not be that awkward, falling over, time of struggling into or out of your raingear or chaps or riding suit - just wear these pants all the time you're out & about on your bike. Joe Luther Only in Nebraska K1100LT - "EXIT" From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jun 12 15:21:00 1997 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerome Cook To: Leon Droby Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Which Aerostich?????? Reply-To: Jerome Cook Aerostitch is a proven solution and i have not met anyone who is really unhappy with their suit. There are other solutions Motoport makes an interesting suit 1000 denier also the Canyon I like the Hein gericke Espediton suit and pants I am leaning toward the Gerbings riding suit. I narrowed my choices to gerbings and aerostitch because they are both washable in a machine. some suits do not recimment that. It was a big plus considering summer sweaty riding. I also didnt want th have to thing too much and three choices would be past my brain capacity Good shopping Jerry From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jun 15 10:30:34 1997 From: MMCornettNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 10:15:21 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Darien Questions Answered Reply-To: MMCornettNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com In a message dated 97-06-15 09:25:39 EDT, Bill Harrison writes: << I am the proud owner of an Aerostich Darien jacket and pants. They arrived in the mail last week and I am very impressed with the design and construction. However, I have a concern about the fit of the Darien. It is quite big and loose fitting. >> Bill, Don't worry about the size. It DOESN'T flap in the wind. I'm 6'2" (44/46) and I have an extra large. The extra room keeps it from getting hot in summer and allows you to insulate in winter. I got mine last 'August and have put about 40,000 miles on it. As Don Graling said, "Best motorcycling money I ever spent." Congratulations, Downtown (Chicago) Mike, Texan-in-Exile # 1 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 20 19:00:57 1997 From: Dan Simoes Subject: BMW: apparel - start of a faq To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamfacteur.std.com (bmwmc) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Dan Simoes I've been compiling info for some time, and eventually I will have enough to put into a FAQ. I need a bit more feedback. So far, here are my (current) options: - TourMaster Cortech jacket: $189 (MAW) Looks good, 500/1000d cordura, has vents, waterproof via coating, zip out Thinsulate liner. Cheap. Question: anyone have this, and is it too hot for NY summer weather? It seems to be that the coated jackets breathe less. - MotoPort UltraII jacket/pants: $329+$199 (clearance price for blue) Overall my top choice, but these together are $528. Add the Goretex liners ($178) and you are up to $706, not quite Aerostich pricing, but close. This jacket would breathe better, has better armor than the Cortech, but as I said, costs more $$$. Finally, if anyone has a good BMW/Stich suit in a 42 reg, for about $300-400 let me know. I'm looking for cordura (abrasion resistence) or kevlar, removable goretex liner (warmth and waterproofing), vents, and good armor. Yah, I know, it's called a Darien. I don't have that kind of $ and there is nothing my size on their clearance sheet. On a positive note, I should have my painted bike parts tomorrow. Assembly day is next Thurs, which means Friday may be riding day... | Dan | -- Dan Simoes dansNoSpam@NoSpamans.net ANS Communications http://coimbra.ans.net/dans.html 100 Clearbrook Road (914) 789-5378 (voice) Elmsford, NY 10523 (914) 789-5310 (fax) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 21 12:38:59 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: arctic.st.usm.edu: fglamser owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:27:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Glamser To: Dan Simoes cc: bmwmc Subject: Re: BMW: apparel - start of a faq Reply-To: Frank Glamser Hi Dan, I have a Cortech jacket and the Motoport Ultra II pants. The jacket is great for cold and/or wet weather and can be worn to the mid 70's. Frank Glamser Hattiesburg, Mississippi '92 K75RT BMW RoM On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Dan Simoes wrote: > > I've been compiling info for some time, and eventually I will > have enough to put into a FAQ. I need a bit more feedback. > > So far, here are my (current) options: > > - TourMaster Cortech jacket: $189 (MAW) > Looks good, 500/1000d cordura, has vents, waterproof via coating, > zip out Thinsulate liner. Cheap. > > Question: anyone have this, and is it too hot for NY summer weather? > It seems to be that the coated jackets breathe less. > > - MotoPort UltraII jacket/pants: $329+$199 (clearance price for blue) > Overall my top choice, but these together are $528. Add the > Goretex liners ($178) and you are up to $706, not quite Aerostich > pricing, but close. This jacket would breathe better, has better > armor than the Cortech, but as I said, costs more $$$. > > Finally, if anyone has a good BMW/Stich suit in a 42 reg, for about $300-400 > let me know. I'm looking for cordura (abrasion resistence) or kevlar, > removable goretex liner (warmth and waterproofing), vents, and good armor. > Yah, I know, it's called a Darien. I don't have that kind of $ and > there is nothing my size on their clearance sheet. > > On a positive note, I should have my painted bike parts tomorrow. > Assembly day is next Thurs, which means Friday may be riding day... > > | Dan | > -- > Dan Simoes dansNoSpam@NoSpamans.net > ANS Communications http://coimbra.ans.net/dans.html > 100 Clearbrook Road (914) 789-5378 (voice) > Elmsford, NY 10523 (914) 789-5310 (fax) > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 23 13:57:12 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: BMW: Recommendation - Gloves When my black, single-wei From: Brian Skow To: IBMWR Cc: Ron Row Reply-To: Brian Skow Recommendation - Gloves When my black, single-weight leather Fieldsheer gloves of many years disentigrated last year, I searched in vain for weeks for a replacement. Then, on a trip to Durango, Colorado, I happened into a tack (horse and related supply) store. There, I noticed a pair of black, single weight leather Roper gloves. They've worked out great! Since then, I've put more thought to the similarities between riding a horse and riding a motorcycle (iron horse). There are quite a few! Gloves and boots certainly cross over fairly well. So, I've periodically stopped in tack stores, looking for interesting gear. Recently, I came across SSG gloves in an English riding store. The gloves have a suede, grippy palm and a webbed, nylon top with a velcroed wrist. Washable, and ventilated for the warm weather. I highly recommend these gloves for the non-Kevlar, non-metal stud palm crowd. Brian <><><><><><><><><><> Brian Skow | bskowNoSpam@NoSpamgetnet.com | Phoenix, AZ "This message made possible by an Apple eMate 300." <><><><><><><><><><> From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jun 23 15:08:23 1997 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerome Cook To: drbob27 Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: clothing advice given Reply-To: Jerome Cook I spoke to Gerbings last week. I asked about alternate color choice. They indicated that they could go out and buy a few yards of material in a color choice that I wanted Please call them and ask politely. Maybe it will work for you. Their clothing isnt cheap but less than Aerostitch. I narrowed my choice down to TWO sources Aerostitch & Gerbings. One of the reasons for those two is that the suits are MACHINE WASHABLE & CAN GO IN A DRYER. MAny of the other suits say hand wash only. the gerbings electric liners can also go in the washer The STITCH's have some extra features that are nice BUT Im gonna go for Gerbings I didnt get any replies from current gerbing 's owners but the suit I saw at Square Route looked good, and their service after sale is very good. and I like when vendors come to the rallies. 1-800-646-5916 cheers Jerry Cook On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, drbob27 wrote: > > I'd like a padded Cordura jacket (and mebbe pants) for my wife that > costs less than Aerostitch, All I've seen so far come only in > seriously dark colors. Since she rides most in summer, those seem > like a really bad idea. Anyone know of any? > > bob > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jun 27 03:22:04 1997 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:47:14 -0500 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Cal Swallow Subject: Re: BMW: Riding New K-1200 (+ glove advice) Reply-To: Cal Swallow At 11:09 P 6/26/97 -0400, you wrote: > >To all.... > > Yes my new K-1200 arrived at Morton's > >---------------------------snip------------------------------------------ > > left me with a sound asleep right hand/wrist,,,now what??? > > > Campground Bob > I've had trouble with my fingers tingling then going to sleep and some pain in my palms. Both on the old RT and the new RS. (yes, worse on RS) I recently bought a pair of gloves that REALLY helped. I can go two hours + without giving my hands a thought. Then a cople of quick flexing exercises and I'm good for at least an hour. They are made by "Olympia" and have a layer of gel in the palm area similar to a gel bicycle seat. Mine are black, unlined, unvented with a velcro strap around the back of the wrist. Short cuff: no gauntlet. They seem well constructed with flat seams in the palm. Are VERY snug while donning but comfortable once you squeeze into them. Fingers are long enough to not put pressure on finger tips but not so long as to interfere with control operation. Kinda feel like a real small rib eye steak between your hand and the grip. Retail $39.95 here. One of the reasos I went to the R1100 over my old K100 was heat. No, I mean HEAT!!! I actually got a large blister on the inside of my right knee on the way to the Durango rally. In town in summer heat it is torture. Like having a car with the heater stuck full-on. I hope you find a fix for it on the new K12. Good luck and please slow down long enough so the rest of us can look at your new scoot!!! Cal Swallow NOTICE: Due to inflation, my $.02 worth is now Quincy, IL now going for $.03. BMWMOA # 65821 1985 K100 LT Grey Primer (don't ask) 1994 R1100 RSL (so I'm fickle) Turkisgrun Met. (fastest color) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jun 28 10:41:28 1997 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:30:49 -0600 (MDT) From: D&J To: ynotfix Cc: bmwmc Subject: Re: BMW: lap apron Reply-To: D&J > to spike: ok tell me where to get a "lap apron". i've seen them in seattle > but never figgered out where to get one, so come on tell me, tell me. > thanx, tony Langlitz Leathers 2442 S.E. Division Portland, Oregon 97202 USA Ph: 503-235-0959 for catalog Dick Taylor - Classy Guy hetchinsNoSpam@NoSpammontana.com Live and lean. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jun 29 22:31:26 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Court Fisher Subject: BMW: Re: Riding Clothes/Cordura Cc: Graham Rogers Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:15:52 +0000 Reply-To: Court Fisher >Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:06:30 +0700 (ICT) >From: "Graham K. Rogers" >Subject: BMW: Riding Clothes > >Has anyone on the list heard of the Cordura line by Du Pont? > >One of the (two) bike clothing shops in Bangkok has recently got some of >these in and I am interested. One jacket is a bit heavy for here with a >quilted lining, while the other type (with matching trousers) looks about >right for the temperatures--25 C is a cool day remember. > >Graham >------------------------------ Graham, Du Pont has been manufacturing Cordura for at least 2 decades. It's the industry-standard abrasion-resistant nylon used in Aerostich, BMW, Frank Thomas, and most other non-leather motorcycle clothing lines throughout the world. Comes in various weights or thicknesses, denoted by 'denier', commercially scaled from about 200-1000; 1000 denier being the heaviest (I've seen) in consumer-level application. Now often mixed with other materials like 'ballistic nylon', Kevlar, and Gore-Tex in clothing. Also a standard material in soft luggage, camping gear, etc. If it's 'genuine' Du Pont Cordura, you can't go wrong as a material, depending on how it's used in a specific manufacturer's design/ application--As one example, Aerostich uses 500 denier weight as the base material in its Roadcrafter and Darien suits/jackets. Don't be concerned with the material per se, but the quality of design and manufacture of the specific jackets you're looking at. Haven't looked, but I assume you can find a Du Pont or other website with more technical details. best, Court Fisher Princeton NJ/USA all the usual suspect acronyms court.fisherNoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 3 00:35:31 1997 From: Alessandro.BrunoNoSpam@NoSpamhal.varese.it (Alessandro Bruno) Date: 02 Jul 97 05:35:43 -0800 Subject: BMW: cordura Organization: HAL bbs! To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: Alessandro.BrunoNoSpam@NoSpamhal.varese.it (Alessandro Bruno) bm> From: "Graham K. Rogers" bm> Subject: BMW: Riding Clothes bm> Has anyone on the list heard of the Cordura line by Du Pont? Great thing. bm> One of the (two) bike clothing shops in Bangkok has recently got some bm> of these in and I am interested. One jacket is a bit heavy for here bm> with a quilted lining, while the other type (with matching trousers) bm> looks about right for the temperatures--25 C is a cool day remember. Don't go for Dainese cordura/goretex clothes, then. They are wonderful clothes, but the cordura ones are for cool/cold days. I ride in summer with a Dainese Europa (cordura, gore-tex and aluminium liner) when is down to -5C without any problem. Dunno about other brands. /////// Alessandro Bruno NoSpam@NoSpam Varese - prealpi lombarde, Europe \\\\\\\ /////// alessandro.brunoNoSpam@NoSpamhal.varese.it - Fidonet HAL 2:331/105 \\\\\\\ There are too many roads, and so few weekends ! - BMW K 100 RS 16.500 km Flying Happy Brick - www.IBMWR.org - EEP : Enthusiast European President --- Blue Wave v2.12 -- |Fidonet: Alessandro Bruno 2:331/105 |Internet: Alessandro.BrunoNoSpam@NoSpamhal.varese.it | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 3 07:33:06 1997 From: Dan Simoes Subject: BMW: still looking for apparel To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamfacteur.std.com (bmwmc) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Dan Simoes The Tourmaster Cortech jacket, at $188, is a steal, but it seems it's too hot for summer riding around here. I've got Motoport and Aerostich's clearance lists, and still not much. My pick would probably be the Ultra II Cordura jacket and pants, at $329 and $199 respectively, plus liners. But at over $700 total, I can't see doing this. If you've got a decent combo out there - cordura or kevlar, padding, breathable material with vents, preferable waterproof, in a 42R size or close, let me know. My bike will be ready tomorrow and though I swore that I would not get back on it without new gear, I'm going to anyway. But I do want to find something soon. | Dan | From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 3 20:38:55 1997 From: Robert Bell - COP To: "'BMW'" , "'ArmoredVehNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com'" , "'baconNoSpam@NoSpamtwinight.org'" , Robert Bell - COP , "'ClydeRomeroNoSpam@NoSpamprodigy.net'" , "'Frank_A_Marcellino/245870/CES/EKCNoSpam@NoSpamknotes.kodak.com'" To: "'garyjhNoSpam@NoSpambernstein.com'" , "'Graham.SmithNoSpam@NoSpamenmech.csiro.au'" , "'hp1bmwNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com'" , "'JimBMWK1NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com'" , "'jrocheNoSpam@NoSpammailer.fsu.edu'" , "'K1racerNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com'" To: "'kjvm60aNoSpam@NoSpamprodigy.com'" , "'lsadlerNoSpam@NoSpamNMSU.Edu'" , "'mark.hoganNoSpam@NoSpamtriteal.com'" , "'meredithNoSpam@NoSpamsolvit.ENET.dec.com'" , "'mturczynNoSpam@NoSpampop700.gsfc.nasa.gov'" , "'s_buchhoNoSpam@NoSpamkla.com'" To: "'shortNoSpam@NoSpambose.com'" , "'SOLO900SSNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com'" , "'T.R.Evans-M.D.NoSpam@NoSpamworldnet.att.net'" , "'tzioufasNoSpam@NoSpamVNET.IBM.COM'" , "'WaruszewskNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com'" Subject: BMW: Vanson Sport Rider Perf Jacket Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:57:37 -0400 Reply-To: Robert Bell - COP Last Friday my roomie got me an early birthday present, A Vanson Sport Rider perforated jacket. It is full of holes like the Vanson Breeze, but form fitted to a riding position and has padding in the elbows and shoulders. My roomie is the best roomie in the world - even lets me ride the Ducati whenever I want. Let me digress: In the recent thread about Texas helmet laws one guy said he gets a chuckle out of people who wear leathers in 90 degree weather. I had been wearing a first gear kilamanjaro, which has 5 zipper vents. Hot. But, I also carry a tool kit. I've never had occasion to use the tools on the road, but I still carry them. NoSpam@NoSpam 112K miles on the k1, I've never had occasion to use the leathers (crash). I will still wear a leather jacket through July and August, and I will still carry my tool kit. Anyway, the perf jacket works very well. Stuck in stop and go it gets a little hot but not as bad as the other jacket. At 60 mph, it is noticeably cooler. One really neat thing, is when you have to put on the rain gear. Yesterday I started my ride under cloudy skies but not raining. So it starts raining - you get a little wet and put on the rain gear. Normally the trapped moisture soaks you to the bone. The perforated jacket breathes, allows the moisture to get out and it is not at all unpleasant. Anyway, I really like the new jacket. Grins, Bob From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jul 5 16:54:47 1997 Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 15:36:28 +0000 From: Andy Fountain To: ben1364NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: IBMWR Subject: Re: BMW: Protective Clothing/Tropics? Reply-To: Andy Fountain Ben1364NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > Any advice on materials (leather/synthetic fabrics, etc.), and features will > be appreciated. Most of my riding will be in hot/warm frequently wet (humid) > weather. Protection and comfort are my main concerns rather than style or Ben, I have been riding in leather for the last 11 years and just suffered with the summer heat. Just this summer I bought a First Gear Kiliminjaro jacket that works great. It is made of a cordura fabric they call hypertex. There are several zippered ventalation openings that let air flow thru when it gets hot. The fabric is abrasion resistant and there is body armor in the shoulders, elbows and back for protection. The jacket is much cooler than leather and is also waterproof when all zipped up. In fact I liked it so well that I bought two. I usually wear an X-large but all the dealer had was a XXL. I tried it but it is too big for me so it is for sale if you know anyone that can wear that size. I ended up with the XL and if works fine. I have not had any experience with Aerostich but hear is is good as well. Andy Fountain From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jul 12 15:51:17 1997 From: james.colburnNoSpam@NoSpampressroom.com Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:41:19 -0400 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Smart Kid Reply-To: james.colburnNoSpam@NoSpampressroom.com My 10 year old daughter made the following observation today: "Dad, why do some people on motorcycles wear lots of leather and tiny little helmets? They'd hurt their heads if they fell off. And why do some people wear good helmets with shorts and a t-shirt? They'd get all scraped up if they fell off." "Dad, you keep wearing your good clothes and your good helmet." Jim Colburn (aka james.colburnNoSpam@NoSpampressroom.com) Photo Editor/BMW Rider Washington, D.C. "Everybody Wang Chung Tonight" From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 13 01:23:56 1997 From: "drbob27" To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:13:11 +0000 Subject: Re: BMW: Suggested Mail Order Sources Reply-To: "drbob27" > Having heard dire warnings about places like Competition >Accessories, I thought I'd ask the list's consensus on good places >to buy: > > Leather Jackets > Thurlow Leatherworld :-) Of course you're missing something if you don't go to San Diego to get fitted, since all their jackets are custom made, no extra charge. You can ask for the pockets used on one of their standard models, with the collar from another, etc. $400-$700 depending on features and truly a bargain. Incredible quality deerskin (great revenge, eh? :-) and construction. Soft enough for casual wear, although a bit bulky if you get the padding. bob From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 15 17:09:55 1997 From: EsquireTedNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:05:24 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Washing My Stich/Commentary on LL Bean Reply-To: EsquireTedNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Hello All, Well, after, for the first time ever, experiencing massive water intrusion into my 2-piece Aerostich Roadcrafter suit, I decided to finally thoroughly wash and waterproof it. After spending 7 straight hours riding through thick rain and heavy wind, Larry Fears and I stopped at LL Beans so I could run in and buy the bottle of NikWax that I had been thinking of for the previous 6 wet hours. As for Beans, after making the stop at Beans for the last 20 or so years on the way to my Father's place in Maine I am finally cured of the urge to exit at Desert Island road/Freeport. I walked in at 5am approached and asked the Customer Service rep at the center desk where I could find NikWax. He looked at me then said "Don't ever interrupt me again. Besides, what are you doing here, you don't belong here." I stood there for a second trying to fathom what the hell was going on when he again turned away from the person with whom he was chatting and said, "Well, what the hell are you still doing here?" It was then I think I realized he must have thought I was a workman or a Janitor or something (guess holding a motorcycle helmet didn't tip him off.) I told him in one breath that I was from Washington DC, that I had ridden all night, that my Gore-Tex suit was leaking and that I was tired and just wanted to buy some NikWax and get the hell out of there. He quickly told me to go look in the shoe department then turned back around. I told his back that NikWax was for washing Gore-Tex apparel and he turned back around and said "Why don't you try camping?" I wandered down the stairs to camping and immediately found someone who was quite pleasant, knew exactly what I wanted, and went and got it for me while I waited at the register. $12 bucks and a "Have a great trip" later I was again on Rt.1 heading up the coast to Islesboro. The next day I washed and treated the Aerostich. After testing the waterproof qualities of NikWax I can honestly say I am quite impressed. I washed the suite twice using the "NO bleach/scent/etc." Tide powder detergent, ran it through three cycles with no soap whatsoever, then ran it through with the NikWax. Following the directions, I stopped the cycle mid-way through and let it sit for 15 (30 actually) minutes. It came out of the dryer cleaner then it had ever been, and apparently as watertight as it had been at its best (water beads now :) So much for spending 45 minutes with two cans of Scotch-Guard, it is NikWax for me from now on :) ~~~~~~~~~ http://users.aol.com/esquireted/moto.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ted Verrill - EsquireTedNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com - TedVNoSpam@NoSpamFool.com - K1100RS (Zephyr) Georgetown, Washington DC, USA - HOYA JD '94 - Joe's Toadies IBMWR - BMWBMW - BMWMOA - BMWRA - GG#3 - SoD#7 BMWBMW Newsletter Editor, "Between The Spokes" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit http://www.bmwbmw.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 15 20:34:53 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:53:57 -0600 From: Steve Aikens Organization: PC Solutions, Inc. To: EsquireTedNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Washing My Stich/Commentary on LL Bean Reply-To: Steve Aikens EsquireTedNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > >.................... > > As for Beans, after making the stop at Beans for the last 20 or so years on > the way to my Father's place in Maine I am finally cured of the urge to exit > at Desert Island road/Freeport. I walked in at 5am approached and asked the > Customer Service rep at the center desk where I could find NikWax. He looked > at me then said "Don't ever interrupt me again. Besides, what are you doing > here, you don't belong here." I stood there for a second trying to fathom > what the hell was going on when he again turned away from the person with > whom he was chatting and said, "Well, what the hell are you still doing > here?" > > It was then I think I realized he must have thought I was a workman or a > Janitor or something (guess holding a motorcycle helmet didn't tip him off.) Workman, Janitor, or Hooker, this individual should have been reported to his supervisor or the Store Manager immediately. Under no circumstances, is this type behaviour acceptable in ANY business. And no matter how bad I thought I needed a product from them, I would have taken my business elsewhere. NikWax is good stuff, but it's also available from Goldfines' Gold Mine for about the same price (page 15, 10 fl. oz. can, item number 332 $6.00). -- I don't suffer from insanity.....I enjoy every minute of it! Steve Aikens, Clovis, New Mexico steve.aikensNoSpam@NoSpam3lefties.com My BMW URL is http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4323/ Don't drop by very often, it never changes. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Thu Jul 17 20:07:00 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:32:38 -0500 Subject: BMW: NikWax vs Camp Dry on my 'stitch X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,7-8,12-13,16-17,20-21,24-25,28-29,32-33,35-43 From: garymarshNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Gary McCray) Reply-To: garymarshNoSpam@NoSpamjuno.com (Gary McCray) Prezzies, My wife & I have had our 2-piece Roadcrafters for 5 or 6 years now. Up until a couple of months ago, we followed the original washing and waterproofing instructions that came with the suits: Wash in laundry detergent (we used Cheer to try to minimize fading) and spray with Camp Dry. After several washings/sprayings, the Camp Dry left a residue on the surface of the material which seemed to attract and hold dirt, which made the suits dingy and stiff. Washing in laundry detergent didn't begin to remove the stuff. I called Goldfine's shop to see what they suggested. The lady on the phone know exactly what I was talking about. She said they use 3M Adhesive Remover to remove the Camp Dry residue. After looking all over the place, I finally found the 3M stuff for $10.00 a quart. It comes in a container like paint thinner and smells like lacquer thinner! After spending a couple of hours cleaning off about 12 sq. inches of one of our suits, my wife decided that she probably won't live long enough to get both suits clean. It was time for drastic measures. She decided to try laundering the suits in Pine-Sol which contains a degreasing agent. After this, the suits didn't look *brand* new, but they were real close, compared to the way they looked before. She then washed the suits in NikWax's non-detergent cleaner (using a whole bottle on each suit). Then she washed each suit in the NikWax waterproofer for Gortex garments. Our suits are now clean and *soft_and_pliable*. We rode in rain for an entire day on the way to Fredericksburg and stayed 100% dry! >From now on - it's NikWax for us! GMc <> << Macarena Red Metallic '97 R1100RT>> <> From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 18 08:13:40 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Rolt To: Gary McCray Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: NikWax vs Camp Dry on my 'stitch Reply-To: Chris Rolt Just a tip which may or not apply to Aerostich. If the waterproofing on a gore-tex garment isn't as good as it used to be try ironing it with a warm iron. I'm not sure what this does to the scotch-guard(or whatever the manufacturer calls it) but it's been in the care instructions of every garment that I've actually read the care instructions of. They usually also recommend powdered detergents as well. -chris On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Gary McCray wrote: > > Prezzies, > > My wife & I have had our 2-piece Roadcrafters for 5 or 6 years now. Up > until a couple of months ago, we followed the original washing and > waterproofing instructions that came with the suits: > > Wash in laundry detergent (we used Cheer to try to minimize fading) and > spray with Camp Dry. > > After several washings/sprayings, the Camp Dry left a residue on the > surface of the material which seemed to attract and hold dirt, which made > the suits dingy and stiff. Washing in laundry detergent didn't begin to > remove the stuff. > > I called Goldfine's shop to see what they suggested. The lady on the > phone know exactly what I was talking about. She said they use 3M > Adhesive Remover to remove the Camp Dry residue. > > After looking all over the place, I finally found the 3M stuff for $10.00 > a quart. It comes in a container like paint thinner and smells like > lacquer thinner! > > After spending a couple of hours cleaning off about 12 sq. inches of one > of our suits, my wife decided that she probably won't live long enough to > get both suits clean. It was time for drastic measures. > > She decided to try laundering the suits in Pine-Sol which contains a > degreasing agent. After this, the suits didn't look *brand* new, but they > were real close, compared to the way they looked before. > > She then washed the suits in NikWax's non-detergent cleaner (using a > whole bottle on each suit). Then she washed each suit in the NikWax > waterproofer for Gortex garments. > > Our suits are now clean and *soft_and_pliable*. We rode in rain for an > entire day on the way to Fredericksburg and stayed 100% dry! > > >From now on - it's NikWax for us! > > GMc > > <> > << Macarena Red Metallic '97 R1100RT>> > <> > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 18 17:42:03 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:34:51 -0700 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Kim Subject: BMW: Clean your aerostitch Reply-To: Kim I read Gary Marsh's comments on using Pine-sol to degrease the aerostitch and decided to try it also. The problem was I didn't have any pine-sol, but I did have some Lysol so I tried it and my 'stitch has never looked cleaner. All of the road freckles over the years located on the front knee ballistics are gone. I thought that would never happen. It looks brand new. Here's the recipe for success. Use the regular wash and maximum water level and two cups of Lysol. Start the washer and after five minutes turn the washer off and let the 'stitch soak for 10 minutes. Then complete the wash cycle. Then wash again with laundry detergent on regular, then wash without soap and then let dry. Use nikwax or spray for the water proofing and then you ready to ride. Kim Rydalch Modesto, CA From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jul 19 12:26:40 1997 Date: 19 Jul 97 12:13:07 EDT From: Bob DeHaney <100013.413NoSpam@NoSpamCompuServe.COM> To: ibmwmc Subject: BMW: Re: Ironing Goretex Reply-To: Bob DeHaney <100013.413NoSpam@NoSpamCompuServe.COM> The purpose of the ironing is to revive the water repellent coating put on (recommended by Gore) the exterior by the garment's manufacturer. This coating reduces the tendency of the outer garment to get soaked resulting in the Goretex not breathing properly and you also getting cold due to the water evaporation. It has no other effect. One test is to sprinkle the garment before ironing, after ironing, the water beads again. They also recoommend spraying the exterior of the garment with Scotchgard if the water doesn' t bead again after ironing. Bob in Munich '94 K1100RS From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 20 13:38:29 1997 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 12:30:01 +0000 From: Alex Jomarron To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Cc: geobasNoSpam@NoSpamslip.net Subject: BMW: Re: 1st gear X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by u3.farm.idt.net id NAA08471 Reply-To: Alex Jomarron George, I own a First Gear Mt. Kilimanjaro and HT pants. Tyhe quality is there=20 and I can attest to its "waterproofness." On my way to Seattle on=20 6/17, I stopped at Gina's BMW in IA and bought the coat for cheap (BIG=20 loss leader sale from the IA rally!). The coat vents very well. I rode=20 in 90+=B0 in KS and it wasn't uncomfortable. The Expedition jacket, if I=20 remember correctly, does not provide vents. While in Seattle and=20 Olympic peninsula, it rained daily. The jacket NEVER leaked a drop! As=20 my first piece of weatherproof gear I am very impressed. On the way=20 back from the trip, I bought the pants. I encountered a deluge coming=20 from IA to Chicago. The pants are well designed with a nice flap at=20 the crotch to keep the boys dry. They also have a zipper that runs the=20 complete length of the outer leg. This is handy to put on your boots,=20 and if need be, rain boots. I don't expect that they are as abrasion=20 proof as my H-G V-Pilot leathers, but that is a trade off I'm willing=20 to make. Alex Jomarron POSTSCRIPT: I returned the jacket to Gina's in exchange for an XL. So=20 she has a perfect condition XXL that I'm sure she's willing to deal=20 on. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 23 23:13:32 1997 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:59:28 -0500 From: Ed Poynter To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Hot!!! weather protective clothing Reply-To: Ed Poynter DSS38NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > Moved from Seattle back to Texas, and need advice on what works for pants and jacket in the summer in this heat. I'll generally start out wearing a HG TKO jacket and regular jeans, high boots and gloves, but after about 11:30am the jacket just has to come off, or I have to go home. After sundown, jacket is back on. BTW, last Saturday I rode with a Honda group, moonlight ride starting at 9:00pm, and I was the only one of about 40 riders with a leather jacket on. Have looked at the perforated leather pants, Hein Gericke, but they are rather pricey. -- ******************************* Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock Ed Poynter Grapevine, TEXAS! edbkrNoSpam@NoSpamFastlane.net http://www.fastlane.net/homepages/edbkr '85K100RS Schwinn Paramount *********************** From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 05:53:40 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:40:40 +0100 From: Nick Horley To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Hot!!! weather protective clothing Reply-To: Nick Horley > DSS38NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > > > Moved from Seattle back to Texas, and need advice on what works for pants and jacket in the summer in this heat. Never been to Texas - but southern Spain in summer (40 Centigrade and more) was bearable in the BMW Kalahari suit, which was after all designed for desert use. The year before I tried to get there in leathers, and had to turn back. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 08:54:49 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:38:45 +0100 From: Nick Horley To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Cc: ibmwr-euroNoSpam@NoSpammojo.org Subject: BMW: Free riding suits from BMW Reply-To: Nick Horley Strange but true. In the UK, BMW clothing carries a one year warranty, just like the bikes. In heavy rain my Kalahari suit has just started leaking in the crotch. Not surprising - it's 11 months old, and the Gore-Tex lining is a teeny bit worn. The dealer is giving me a whole new set of trousers, because the lining, although removable, isn't available as a separate part. Now Gore-Tex, as any fule kno, is not exactly durable. And my new trousers will come with a whole new 12 month warranty. So it looks like I'll be getting them replaced for free every year indefinitely. How's that for a lifetime guarantee? The Kalahari, if you didn't already know, is the most versatile fully armoured riding suit in the world - I use it in all four seasons. And it looks miles better than a rucksack-with-legs Aerostich, if you ask me. Buy one before BMW wakes up to how much their warranty claims are costing! Now, wasn't there a loose stitch somewhere in the jacket....? From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 09:35:48 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:22:57 UT From: "Eric Cleaveland" To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Cc: ibmwr-euroNoSpam@NoSpammojo.org Subject: BMW: RE: Free riding suits from BMW Reply-To: "Eric Cleaveland" and people wonder why it costs us manufacturers $ 17.00 USD / yd to have W.L. Gore laminate to fabrics that we supply.......... ---------- From: ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com on behalf of Nick Horley Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 8:38 AM To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Cc: ibmwr-euroNoSpam@NoSpammojo.org Subject: BMW: Free riding suits from BMW Strange but true. In the UK, BMW clothing carries a one year warranty, just like the bikes. In heavy rain my Kalahari suit has just started leaking in the crotch. Not surprising - it's 11 months old, and the Gore-Tex lining is a teeny bit worn. The dealer is giving me a whole new set of trousers, because the lining, although removable, isn't available as a separate part. Now Gore-Tex, as any fule kno, is not exactly durable. And my new trousers will come with a whole new 12 month warranty. So it looks like I'll be getting them replaced for free every year indefinitely. How's that for a lifetime guarantee? The Kalahari, if you didn't already know, is the most versatile fully armoured riding suit in the world - I use it in all four seasons. And it looks miles better than a rucksack-with-legs Aerostich, if you ask me. Buy one before BMW wakes up to how much their warranty claims are costing! Now, wasn't there a loose stitch somewhere in the jacket....? From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 11:54:07 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:37:58 -0600 From: Jay Martin Subject: Re: BMW: Aerostitch Hip Pads To: Terry Smith Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: Jay Martin Terry, At 10:23 AM 7/25/97 +0000, you wrote: ... >I'd appreciate some feedback on >comfort and crash protection (anybody go down with the pads >on/not on but think they would have helped?). I have the hip pads in both my one-piece and in my wife/daughter's Darien. My daughter and I suffered the misfortune to test these on our last trip. (See upcoming "College Trip Part 2.") They are fantastic. Without them, I think we would have both been very, very sore. They cushioned the impact to the point where neither of us had any bruising or even soreness the next day. Downside is that they interfere with access through the side zippers. This is an inconvenience when you want to get to your pants' pockets or when fussing with the chord on a heated vest, an inconvenience I am now more than willing to put up with. Hope this help, Jay Martin martinjNoSpam@NoSpammscd.edu http://www.mscd.edu/~martinj/ Denver, Colorado USA 1977 R75/7 "Pfennig" 1976 R90/6 "Ehrbar" From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 13:13:28 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:43:35 -0700 (PDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: Dennis & Karen Withner Subject: BMW: Aerostich Hip Pads Cc: tsmith2NoSpam@NoSpamwhsun1.wh.whoi.edu Reply-To: Dennis & Karen Withner >From: "Terry Smith" >I'm thinking about adding a set of hip pads to my 'Stitch. If any of >our esteemed clan uses the pads I'd appreciate some feedback on >comfort and crash protection (anybody go down with the pads >on/not on but think they would have helped?). Yea Verrrrrrrrrily Brother, Go yea without hesitation to the phone and call, yes I said CALL brother Andy, TODAY. Offer up a DONATION to the GREAT Aerostitch. Other things may "save ur soles", the pads ......WILL SAVE ur butt. IF U travel down the road of life on ur side as I have done in my SINFULL past, if u OVERCOOK a corner ....ONLY to find a SAND PATCH .......waiting for U, if that sandy asphalt transitions to a METAL GRATED BRIDGE DECK, ........u will be saved, .... as I was. Yea, not even a bruise appeared, to blemish my hip. GO my brother... PHONE TODAY. P.S. - While ur at it order the spine pad too! No experience there yet, but I can SEE the potential value. Brother Dennis, ULC (DMW) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Dennis Maxwell, & Karen Lee, Withner BMWRA/AIRHEADS/MOA/ULC Ham-NX7D SSI-IT #123 Ham-KA7EJO ANDI,NAUI,YMCA,PADI Diving Travel Agent Washington Divers Inc. 903 N State St, Bellingham WA 98225 ph 360-676-8029 fax 360-647-5028 ~Diving Educators and Outfitters since 1973~ 77' R100/7 "Educator" Carpe Beemum - (sieze the Beemer) see U aroundel *********************** From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Fri Jul 25 16:21:40 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:43:08 -0700 From: "Max C. McHatton" To: Nick Horley Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Hot!!! weather protective clothing Reply-To: "Max C. McHatton" Nick Horley wrote: > > > DSS38NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > > > > > Moved from Seattle back to Texas, and need advice on what works for pants and jacket in the summer in this heat. > > Never been to Texas - but southern Spain in summer (40 Centigrade and > more) was bearable in the BMW Kalahari suit, which was after all > designed for desert use. The year before I tried to get there in > leathers, and had to turn back. I concur. I live in southern Oregon, where 100 f days are not uncommon. I am now using a BMW Kalahari jacket, and it is the best I've tried. With the Goretex liner removed, it realy breaths; unlike suits with non removable water barriers. Max From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jul 26 12:43:13 1997 From: spikeNoSpam@NoSpamhevanet.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 97 09:34 PDT Subject: re:BMW: Aerostitch Hip Pads To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Reply-To: spikeNoSpam@NoSpamhevanet.com Yet another $.02 worth- about 4 weeks ago I dropped my K on the freeway at 60- slid into a cement divider and bounced a couple of feet into the air and whacked back down again. I got some shredded ballistics and small holes rubbed through the material of my 2pc Roadcrafter. My right elbow and shoulder hit hard, but NO soreness. I had no hip pads and my rt. hip is still a little sore. You shoulda' seen the bruise! Hip pads should be standard for those of us who ride like we might need 'em! Spike Cornelius 85 K100(S) 65 Triumph 500 Portland,Or From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jul 26 20:13:22 1997 From: MGA1201NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:04:10 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Hot!!! weather protective clothing Reply-To: MGA1201NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com I have a First Gear Scout jacket.. Great hot or cold!. Zippers if front and back for "flow through ventilation. Zippered vent in the cuffs for wind up your sleeves. Superior materials. Zippers are plastic, just in case you actually need the protection ;-( big bucks ~$500 but worth it. Jim Goski 82 R100RS 96 H*nd* shadow (the wife's, but fun to ride if I get tired of going fast) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sat Jul 26 22:38:40 1997 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:25:41 -0400 From: David & Mariana Syrotiak To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: HOT!! weather protecyive clothing Reply-To: David & Mariana Syrotiak > > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:04:10 -0400 (EDT) > From: MGA1201NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com > Subject: BMW: Hot!!! weather protective clothing > > I have a First Gear Scout jacket.. Great hot or cold!. Zippers if front and > back for "flow through ventilation. Zippered vent in the cuffs for wind up > your sleeves. Superior materials. Zippers are plastic, just in case you > actually need the protection ;-( big bucks ~$500 but worth it. > Jim Goski > 82 R100RS > 96 H*nd* shadow (the wife's, but fun to ride if I get tired of going fast) > WOW MAN, YOU GOT RIPPED OFF!!! I bought a firstgear scout about 1 1/2 years ago and I only paid $349.99 for it! Do yourself a favor, If you want good gear, buy it at a Motorcycle show during the winter! L8R! David J. Syrotiak Brattleboro, VT '95 R1100R (Brenda) From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 27 03:32:26 1997 From: Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 03:04:06 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Re: Hot!!! Weather protective clothing (Cool Vest) Reply-To: Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com I also ride with a Firstgear Scout leather jacket. I have an older one (about 5 years old) with the metal zippers and snaps instead of velcro. It has held up extremely well, I even rode it through a thunderstorm once. I've ridden with this jacket in temperatures around 95-100 with the front, rear, and arm ducts open. It's relatively comfortable until I stopped at a light, obviously. I recently added a "Cool Vest" underneath the jacket. I posted about this about a month ago. This is a mesh vest with strips of the "cool collar" material sewn into it (four front and four on the back). With the jacket's vents open, it really helps keep my body temperature more comfortable. I can't say I ever feel truly "cool" when it's 95 degrees outside, but I ride for a while and realize that I haven't felt as warm as I had without the vest on. Plus, since the strips hold the water without leaking, the leather jacket stays dry, unlike wearing a wet t-shirt. If anyone's interested in getting one of these vests, I can get one and send it to you. Just e-mail me at Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com for more info. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 27 08:51:46 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 07:44:38 -0500 From: Andrus Chesley To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Protective clothing Reply-To: Andrus Chesley Hi all you lovley people; Been reading the thread 'bout the protective clothing. That's no problem at all. All's you need to do is go down several times without it (hard headed cajun). Spend time with people picking pieces of shell, gravel, etc. out of your hide, hold a beer can with your wrists because your hands are to skinned up to do other wise. Burn a couple holes thru your jeans so you gotta stand up for a lot or lay on your belly. Lucky enuff to have worn a helmet most of these falls, but have skinned the head, busted the nose (not that pretty any how), the mouth (still have my teeth 'cept one or two) and scraped the chin. Some of these last even with a 3/4 coverage hat on. Now, after 39 years I ride with protective gear 95% of the time in out little town and 100% out of town. So do what you gotta do. Just hope it don't take ya'll as long to learn as it did me. Andy Chesley Jennings, La. R11GSA KLR600 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 27 11:39:12 1997 From: Mikegs11NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:30:09 -0400 (EDT) To: drbob27NoSpam@NoSpampop4.ibm.net, bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: light colored Cordura? Reply-To: Mikegs11NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Try the dirt bike shops in your area, look for "Moose" brand, they look pretty good and are light for summer, My brother got a nice medium blue one at the National Rally. They also have zipper venting etc. Check them out. Mike Hankinson Hudsonville MI 95 GS11 Black of Course From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 29 12:41:50 1997 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:48:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerome Cook To: drbob27 Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: light colored Cordura? Reply-To: Jerome Cook When I called Gerbings to order my riding suit we talked about colors. I forget who I spoke to bu he said that if the standard colors were not what I wanted that they would go out and buy a few yards of material in the color I wanted. Give them a call and see what they will do for you. I am having extra pockets installed and other custom features and they didnt want extra $$$ (none of the changes were extreem) I toyed with the idea of a very light color material cause its summertime and hot. but I figured it might look ratty after a while and went with a darker color. If I can afford a second suit and have it made of lighter weight material I think I will get a light color also and use it in summer. It might work well for your wife riding occasionally. the Gerbings (& STITCH) are MACHINE WASHABLE so maybe cleaning would not be so hard. I'm really tired of seeing dark colors but they do hide dirt & Grease. Gerbings = 1-800-646-5916 Cheers Jerry Cook On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, drbob27 wrote: > > Anyone know where I can get a light colored Cordura riding jacket for > my wife, other than $$Aerostitch$$? Everything I see is black or > red/black, blue/black. Since she mostly rides with me in summer, > seems like a poor idea. > > I asked this once before, but it was around National time, so I'm > trying again. > > bob > From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 27 18:41:49 1997 From: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 18:09:31 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Re:First Gear and HG jackets Reply-To: WARUSZEWSKNoSpam@NoSpamaol.com While I am moderately pleased with my HG California 2, the air vents on front reach almost from shoulder to waiste. However in an RS position, the do not tend to stay open real well.The FG TKO is a very similar jacket with its main vents being the same but also having additional vents on the sleeves and the neck thingie on the liner. I really prefer the TKO over the Cal 2. I may end up taking the Cal 2 into a leather shop and have a few additional vents added. Seems to me, with an RT there may not even much air to vent. VIC WARUSZEWSKI, SoD # 21 VI#1 MOA 85 K100RS BMW Touring Club of Detroit MOA#1, Motor City Beemers Team K-Basa #3 http://pages.prodigy.com/bmwtcd We'll have some high times, and live them low. Get some fast food and eat it slow. I'm hungry when I get up, and sleepy when I eat. Only time I feel right, I got the road beneith my feet. - The Fabulous Thunderbirds From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 27 18:49:27 1997 From: LCarl14NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:56:22 -0400 (EDT) To: ynotfixNoSpam@NoSpamwgn.net, MGA1201NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Cc: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Re: Hot!!! weather protective clothing Reply-To: LCarl14NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com I concur on the quality of the Scout. However, for me it is too short in the torso. For about the same $, Heine Gericke's original jacket for the U.S., the Concord jacket, is superior. Larry Carlson NYNY 1995 K75 1989 'Vulcan 1500 From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Sun Jul 27 22:03:50 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 18:40:13 -0700 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com From: "David, Tina & Robin" Subject: BMW: Neck coolers Reply-To: "David, Tina & Robin" Just ordered 80/100w headlight and extra bright tail light bulb for my 95 r100gs.. Now I'm wondering if this is going to screw with my electrical system somehow... Also I need to know if lubricating clutch splines is some thing that a novice "wrench" should try to take on..? HOT TIP-------- "Neck coolers" I just bought some at a craft fair ($5.00 each). These things are a necessity in hot weather. You can even put them inside your jacket. Very cool !! Dave N. Calif. Red 95 R100GS From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 28 02:35:50 1997 To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: Re: BMW: Hot!!! weather protective clothing X-Disclaimer: Unless otherwise noted below, this is not a policy statement Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:55:26 +0530 From: "Kenton A. Hoover" Reply-To: "Kenton A. Hoover" I've had good results with the Vansen Avenger jacket in the US. Here in Hell, I don't use one, and I have a scar on my arm to show for it. My brain is boiled enough from the helmet. The problem here is that any protective gear you have has to be tolerable (note I do not say comfortable) to wear when you are not moving, because in City traffic here, you aren't moving. If you don't follow this rule, between the helmet and leathers, you are going to die from heat prostration, or at least your concentration is going to be thrown off enough that you are going to die in traffic. India is a weird place to ride. The streets are full of entire families (Dad drives, Mom rides side-saddle with a kid on her lap, the other kid stands on the floorboards between dad's legs) on locally-produced Vespas, almost no one wears a helmet (they do often wear face shields to deflect rocks) and the last riders I saw with leathers on were coming on a tour from Germany (they brought their BMWs with them). As to the traffic, visualize playing "Asterioids" without the ability to shoot the rocks. And you are playing for keeps. > DSS38NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com wrote: > > I'll generally start out wearing a HG TKO jacket and regular jeans, high > boots and gloves, but after about 11:30am the jacket just has to come > off, or I have to go home. After sundown, jacket is back on. BTW, last > Saturday I rode with a Honda group, moonlight ride starting at 9:00pm, > and I was the only one of about 40 riders with a leather jacket on. > > Have looked at the perforated leather pants, Hein Gericke, but they are > rather pricey. | Kenton A. Hoover / Engineering Computer Services | shibumiNoSpam@NoSpamcisco.com | | Chennai Offshore Development Center | | | Cisco Systems (India) Limited | +91 44 481 9939 | |===================== http://www.shockwave.com/~shibumi ====================| | Man: "Sometimes the straightest path is thru the mud." | | Dog: "Good, rationalize it with an obtuse metaphor." | | Carrie Fisher said that, at Belushi's memorial service, she thought: | | 'All these people who I'd seen do drugs with him, and you know what | | they were thinking? Hoping? That what he died of was not what they | | liked to do best.' | | From: "Wired": The Short Life and Fast Times of John Belushi" | From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Wed Jul 30 11:46:40 1997 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:20:20 +0100 From: Nick Horley To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Hot weather gear - let's stop missing the point! Reply-To: Nick Horley People keep asking for advice on this, and getting duff information. Let's stop making silly comparisons between the Stich and the Kalahari - they are totally different, and if I had the money I would have both. And let's not waste time mentioning any leather jacket, however many vents it has. If we're talking about hot weather, this is what counts: Both the Stich and the Kalahari have a Cordura layer, a Gore-Tex layer, and a lining. The Stich's Gore-Tex is an integral membrane. Remember that Gore-Tex keeps out rain AND WIND - you know, that stuff that keeps you cool? The Kalahari's Gore-Tex is removable. You have to take off the suit to do it, and it takes the best part of five minutes. But then air can flow in through all the suit fabric, not just the vents. This is why the Kalahari is the coolest in hot weather. It is after all designed for desert trips as well as street riding; it's the only suit I know of which combines so many of the features needed in both environments. And yes, you may have to take off your pants to put the Kalahari on. But if it's hot, you don't want to wear an extra layer anyway. And the close fit makes for better protection in an accident. The bottom line is: if you ride in the summer and you haven't tried the Kalahari, you have no idea what you're missing. From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 28 04:28:24 1997 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:19:34 +0900 (JST) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com (Internet BMW Riders) From: jyoshidaNoSpam@NoSpameast.ncc.go.jp (YOSHIDA, Junji) Subject: Re: BMW: Hot!!! weather protective clothing Cc: DSS38NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Reply-To: jyoshidaNoSpam@NoSpameast.ncc.go.jp (YOSHIDA, Junji) In Japan, sports gear company Phenix sells neat summer jacket. It is one of their Wayne Gardner Riding Wear line-up. It is made of dual polyester mesh all around and holds punched pads in the sleeves, shoulders and back. It also has a waist belt with reflectives and a loop to hold the back of the jacket to your pants. Available in gold, silver and metallic light green. Sizes: S, M, L, O, XO. 26,000 Yen. Although I've never tried it on, I think the design will allow lots of wind around your body. They even sell optional "wind stopper" to go with the jacket for lower temperature (6,200 Yen). For more details and availability abroad, send fax to Phenix at +81-3-9941-9207. I have a M/C mag that has this jacket ad in it. If you want to see how it looks, I can scan the color ad and e-mail you. FYI, 1US$ is about 117 Yen today. ******************************************************** YOSHIDA, Junji, M.D. '93 R1100RS / '96 Honda Domani "Memento Mori" BMWMOA #71184/BMWRA #20664/ IOC #491 BOOF #36/OSP #6/DIPS #9/RATCJ #1/IAJS#1/'59ers #611 Web Album at; http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/njsbmwmr/junji/ by courtesy of Richard Riegler, NJSBMWR Division of Thoracic Surgery, National Cancer Center Hospital East 6-5-1, Kashiwanoha, Kashiwa, Chiba, 277 JAPAN ******************************************************** From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Mon Jul 28 12:01:40 1997 From: Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:36:18 -0400 (EDT) To: bmwmcNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Subject: BMW: Re:Hot Weather Clothing... Cool Clothing Reply-To: Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com Take a "Cool Collar" and soak it only half full. Wind it up and put it in your helmet on top of your head. Wear a "Cool Vest," which has thin strips of the cool collar material sewn into a mesh vest, under your jacket. The water from both will evaporate slowly, lowering your body temperature. If anyone's interested, I can get a cool vest for you and mail it to you. I haven't seen these anywhere else before, but a friend of mine in Sacramento owns a Harley aftermarket store and he started selling these vests after experiencing them at the Laughlin River Run last spring. He's had a lot of success selling them to Sacramento Police and CHP officers who wear them under their body armor and he's sold some orange vests to CalTrans road crews. E-mail me at Hosmann95NoSpam@NoSpamaol.com for more info. They cost $40, If you send me $45 to cover shipping, I'll mail one to you. Steve Sacramento R1100R From ibmwrNoSpam@NoSpamworld.std.com Tue Jul 29 19:15:39 1